ArtRage isn't coded properly? Line wobble

[sra-art]

Hi Hannah,

Thanks for jumping in here. There is no slider for what I'm describing. Currently for the oil brush you have pressure and loading. I either leave thinners at a low setting or 0. I'm looking for thick oil color only.

Pressure: 0% = thin stroke --- 100% = fat stroke
this slider represents how hard you are pressing on the brush

loading: 0% = transparent stroke that no longer even looks like the original transparent stroke the brush makes when it has run out of it's color but looks like thinners are being used to flatten the highlights.
100% = this gives the illusion of thick paint and something of a thick gloss gel blender once the color runs out. This is the only "look" I'm interested in.

The stroke I want is pressure at 100% with loading at 100%. The slider I need determines if the brush is depositing everlasting color or no color at all or some variation in the middle. Currently all combinations run out of color at the same distance.

As far as the custom brush tool I cannot for the life of me make anything in it that resembles the oil brush as a starting point to modify away from. If you know the settings to make the oil brush please share. The easiest way to go about this in a future upgrade would be to have -a customize button inside the oil brush that once clicked allows you to modify from the pre-built settings.

[HannahRage]

The stroke I want is pressure at 100% with loading at 100%. The slider I need determines if the brush is depositing everlasting color or no color at all or some variation in the middle. Currently all combinations run out of color at the same distance.

Okay, that sounds wrong. Can you take a look at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hg6pC7IDoyM and see if a) it's acting the way it should at your end, and b) if the result you need shows up/if you can describe it better if it is acting as it should.

[sra-art]

The video gave examples of the oil brush painting on a blank canvas at which point the oil brush when set to 100% loading will carry the color until you stop the stroke. What I'm talking about is painting into an image already covered in oil paint and not having the color run out of the brush near the beginning of the stroke. The slider I want will allow the brush set to 100 pressure/100 loading to paint into "wet paint", not dry canvas or oil paint deposited from the insta-dry setting. I want the brush to be able to deposit everlasting oil into wet paint.

[HannahRage]

So you just don't want the color to mix very much with the paint that's already there? But not work with actual dry paint? That isn't possible with the oils, it has a very specific mixing behaviour (the colour isn't running out, it's just blending and picking up colour from the existing paint).

If you want to control the color pickup/blending rate, you'll need to try the Custom Brush. Open the Presets and try the brushes in the Artistic group to find some that look and act like paint brushes (the Bristles or Square Canvas ones are probably best). You can also make your own brushes, but it's easier to start with premade ones until you know your way around a bit. If they don't blend quite the way you need, go to the Settings > Brush Designer > Color settings tab. Adjust the pick up and refresh rates until it acts the way you want.

https://www.artrage.com/manuals/cust...olor-settings/

The Oil Brush and the Custom Brush can produce very similar results, but they aren't interchangeable. The Custom Brush is basically the same thing as the brushes you see in other programs, with no simulation effects (depth, wetness, live paint interaction) with a custom dab shape and textured grain pattern. It isn't actually blending into existing paint, just picking up colours as it passes over, which means that you can get far more customised control, but also that it can't always achieve the same natural results as the oils.

[sra-art]

So when you say it isn't possible because it has a very specific mixing behavior are you referring to how ArtRage operates currently or are you saying it cannot be written into the code in the future. If it can't be written into the code, why not.

As far as the brushes in the custom brush generator I am not really interested in any of the results I have seen so far. The only reason I am using this program is for the oil brush which as you know is unique in the world of digital art programs.

[HannahRage]

I'm saying that how it operates currently, I don't know if it can be added in if we rewrite it in future. Whether a code rewrite of the oils will result in an entirely new version of the oil simulation that allows this... well, that's pure speculation right now. This isn't just 'adjust rate of new colour on brush', it's also affected by paint depth and the colour blending algorithms and the amount of paint on your brush and the type of paint on the brush. The oil brush doesn't work anything like a normal digital brush, so just adding in a 'different colour pickup rate' isn't a matter of adding a new menu option, it requires rewriting how the entire thing works. Finetuning the way it blends is something that we'd look at when updating anyway, but even if it changes somehow, it may not be user-editable beyond the existing options.

So yes, the oil brush is unique, but the trade off for unique natural media simulation is that you lose some of the fine scale digital control you get with brushes like the Custom Brush or Photoshop. They just work differently and require different working styles; either you learn to work with the tool, or you find a less realistic brush that you can adapt to fit your needs.

It's possible we can suggest some ways to get the final look that you want - if you want the visible texture, you can paint texture on a layer below afterwards, for example. But painting wet paint into wet paint without the paint actually mixing much is generally going to be pretty unrealistic. There are always going to be some edge cases that let you get that effect traditionally, but there are limits to digital simulation.

[sra-art]

I'm good with the brush as is. If you can consider my request for a future release I'd appreciate it.