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    Post Why is art especially important nowadays? Opinions please.

    Give me some compelling reasons why art (not just AR) is especially important in today's world. In the USA, the fine arts are just about dead in our educational system. If there are no art literate or creative people in the educational loop . . . what's going to happen to humanity?
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    Well, for one thing, we all need something to do on our devices while commuting to the factory once the robot uprising occurs and they banish news media and the written word.

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    We'll just have to choose who we give stem cell technology to.

    I think anyone looking at the world today through the internet and marketplace can see there's no shortages of Art and Humanities types a result of not having it in the schools. As much as I hate to sound negative about streamlining education to the "essentials", the fact around my part of the world, and I suspect most places, is that teachers are given lots of room to engage kids in art, drama, writing certainly, and music gets funded by parents to whatever degree they want their kids to have it. Hopefully the teachers have an interest in engaging students, and sweetening what they're teaching via various disciplines is a good thing.

    I personally don't think it's important to be able to draw like Peter Paul Rubens for example. For that they would need to be educated.

    But look at the world. It's filled to the gills with art and artists of all kinds. I think that's in part because people love to do it.

    I think as far as which secondary types of programs that got sacrificed, a bigger loss by far are the Shop classes where kids had learned how to build and maintain things in our world. There are the practical skills not being addressed in part because the critics have been scapegoating education as the source of all society's ills. And so budgets get shuffled to accommodate testing scores to show these voters that Education itself is not letting kids down. So the tail wags the dog. And Education keeps shifting programs to be a moving target that can't be so easily attacked.

    Art doesn't need to be taught for people to get what it's about. It isn't missing in the least for anyone with a simple pencil and a desire to express themselves. The world speaks Art fluently. It reflects each person who tries their hand at it, and what they hold as important for themselves, whether for their own personal expression or to connect with others. This is still the information age and on that level it's a golden age that anyone can participate in just by looking around or going to the movies. IMHO of course.

    It's a fair question though. So what do you think having taken up the art instructor gauntlet? What is your observation on it?
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    Thanks for the reply. One of the reasons I did not give my direct opinion was that I am indeed an educator and former professor. So, I am biased - just a bit. Your thoughts on the subject are interesting to me.

    It's true, one CAN find a lot of art on the web. Does one have to know how to create art to appreciate art? Is appreciation enough? Must one be intellectual about art? About the creative process? Or have a practical knowledge of the creative process?

    Is the ability to express one's creativity (in a deep way) essential to the human experience? I think so. I can't quite remember what it is like to not know how to create art. The mechanics of putting to form a concept.

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    "Is the ability to express one's creativity (in a deep way) essential to the human experience? I think so."

    I think I have to disagree here, Victor. The world is full of people who do not express creativity on any level. At least any artistic level. Not only do they not express it, they don't even think about expressing it. And some who think such expression is a waste of time and energy. Does that mean they live a less human existence? Maybe. But who decides that?

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    Fair enough jmac, and I can see that. But perhaps one of the sterling qualities of Art is that it is one of the vehicles that can take us to places that the mundane tends not to.

    The way I see it is that intention has a whole lot to do with it. And as you suggest there are those who do not work with Art that way. . . nor do they want to, and maybe because they personally don't see it, they find it something to eliminate as a waste of school resources.

    In keeping with the topic for a moment about schooling and Art, the way I have looked at Life is that it's like a classroom for all of us, like one of those one room schoolhouse from Little House on the Prairie or something. We're all in the same room, but we're learning and experiencing completely different things based on our ability levels or what is important to them at their point in development, and what the teacher believes to be important. A first grader would be learning those young things while a fifth grader would be learning things they can grasp. For each person it's a custom curriculum.

    Art like language is a vehicle. Where people go with it and what they use it for is based on them whether driving into the mountains or lugging groceries or even getting from one bar to the next.

    There are some programs in Los Angeles that take kids from the inner city to the beach -- something they've never experienced. What is the effects? Any and all. Is it life changing? Could be. Maybe not.

    So I don't disagree with either points on the topic of going deeper with Art (or anything that gets the ball rolling). If one has never had a way to go deeper and Art gives that to them, by all means it instantly has value in that area. And for those on that ride, those impelled in that way, it's sort of hard to not see it being used for that. And for teachers who have gotten there personally, not offering that possibility to get there through Art means that while in the role of Teacher, they're failing their calling to educate.

    Unfortunately, if the school board is focused elsewhere, it's not going to include it in favor of something that is perhaps a more universal sell. Because you're right.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor Osaka View Post
    Thanks for the reply. One of the reasons I did not give my direct opinion was that I am indeed an educator and former professor. So, I am biased - just a bit. Your thoughts on the subject are interesting to me.

    It's true, one CAN find a lot of art on the web. Does one have to know how to create art to appreciate art? Is appreciation enough? Must one be intellectual about art? About the creative process? Or have a practical knowledge of the creative process?

    Is the ability to express one's creativity (in a deep way) essential to the human experience? I think so. I can't quite remember what it is like to not know how to create art. The mechanics of putting to form a concept.
    Yo opino que el tema es muy amplio, y por lo demás muy interesante para muchos de nosotros.
    Yo también soy educador, y desde que decidí estudiar la Pedagogía en Bellas Artes (Artes Plásticas como se le suele decir en Chile), me dí cuenta que el alumno reacciona bien si es bien motivado, y además, si se le invita a "mirar" la naturaleza, o bien, lo que le rodea ...
    Cuando recién comencé a trabajar como Profesor de Artes Plásticas en una escuela particular, a niños entre 9 y 14 años aproximadamente, descubrí poco a poco que mis clases "encantaban" a los alumnos.
    Una de las cosas que los motivó fué el hecho de invitarlos a salir al patio de la escuela a dibujar ...

    Pero, desgraciadamente hoy en mi paìs, las Artes Plásticas son una materia optativa, y las autoridades de la Educación (a partir de 1973), solo tienen la meta de que los alumnos compitan, ganen, y tengan un trabajo que les reporte mucho dinero...

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    I think that the topic is very broad, and otherwise very interesting for many of us.
    I am also an educator, and since I decided to study the Pedagogy of Fine Arts, I realized that students react well if well motivated, and also if you are invited to "look "nature, or around him ...
    When I started just working as art teacher in a private school, children between about 9 and 14, I discovered slowly that my classes "loved" to students.
    One of the things that motivated them was the fact invite them out to the schoolyard to draw ...

    But unfortunately today in my country, the Arts are an optional subject, and the authorities of Education (since 1973), only have the goal of students compete, win, and have a job to report them lots of money ...
    Regards from Chile
    "El arte no reproduce lo visible. Lo hace visible" Paul Klee

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    An interesting 2012 David Hockney interview

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-16578438

    David Hockney thinks that over his lifetime art has become "less". He blames the art establishment (museums, galleries, art schools) for becoming over-enamoured with conceptual art: "It gave up on imagesbit" the artist laments.

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