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Thread: Artrage 3 Oil Brush vs Artrage 4's

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    Artrage 3 Oil Brush vs Artrage 4's

    Since I upgraded to 4, I've been doing sketching and inking.. I haven't noticed until getting to the painting now, that that paintbrush tool feels quite a bit different to me.

    First off, I've noticed the paint doesn't want to blend as easily... I believe that's because it's no longer automatically rotating as it used to...
    I appreciate the realtime stylus rotation sensing, but personally I'm never going to be whipping it around like that. Is there a way I can set Art Rage 4's brush to behave like that in Art Rage 3?

    Also, if I wanted to emulate the old brush style, what should I do with rotation and stiffness?

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    Are you able to provide any specific examples? I opened up both and tried it out, and couldn't spot any differences. It may be that you're just picking up on finer nuances than I am, but we may be looking at different things.

    It's worth checking that you're using the same settings on both. The default settings are:

    Pressure: 50%
    Thinners: 25%
    Loading: 50%

    The default Rotation and Stiffness settings should mimic the ArtRage 3 brush at 0% and 50% respectively. So that is a good setting to leave them on.

    As for rotation:

    The brush rotates according to Tilt for most people in both 3 and 4. ArtRage 4 does support barrel rotation, but if you're not actually using a stylus with this feature then that won't be an issue. If Rotation is set at 0% then you shouldn't be seeing "flopping around" unless something else is going on.

    Does your stylus support rotation? What exactly are you seeing?

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    Thanks for your reply.

    Hm.. Let me put it this way. Can I turn off barrel rotation?

    I liked how in 3, the paint brush cursor would rotate as you painted arcs or changed direction. It realigns itself.


    In Art Rage 4, it isn't automatically doing this, and to get that same effect, I need to rotate my entire stylus. I'm using an Intuos 3 by the way.

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    Have you tried the Stylus Properties panel? If not, try this:

    1 - Select the Oil Brush tool
    2 - Open the settings panel and click on the menu tab (Point 1, in the attached image below)
    3 - Select the "Set Stylus Properties" option (Point 2), to open the "Stylus Properties" panel.
    4 - Remove the "Rotation" property, by clicking on the "X" (Point 3). You can always add it back later, if need be.
    5 - Accept the changes by clicking "OK" (Point 4).

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    I'm experiencing the same problem with the oil brush head.

    In ArtRage Studio Pro (3.5.5) and prior, when using the oil brush, outline mode, it rotated to match the direction of the stroke. If you made an "X" from 11 to 5, then 1 to 7 both strokes would be the same width at the widest part.

    In ArtRage 4 I cannot get the brush head to behave the same way. It is fixed. Therefore with the Aspect, Rotation and Stiffness settings at 50, 85, 50 an "X" made the same as above would result in a thick stroke from 1 to 7, and a thin stroke from 11 to 5. This brush head would be a oval shape, with the long axis running from Northeast to southwest, the short axis from Northwest to Southeast.

    All this was true whether a square or a round brush.

    I liked the way it was before because it mimicked rolling the brush barrel in your fingertips.

    I'm using a Wacom, Bamboo on a Mac, OS X.

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    The Aspect setting being anything lower than 100%, will cause the brush stroke to become thinner when drawn at certain angles. It's like writing with a calligraphy pen. The angle you hold your pen in relation to the tablet controls the angle of the brush direction. By setting the Aspect to 100%, you'll be forcing ArtRage to keep the brush held perfectly perpendicular to the canvas, so the tool should then respond (in terms of brush angle) like ArtRage 3 and lower (which, from testing it just now, is true on my end).
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    I see what you mean.

    Someonesane,
    I see what you mean. "Aspect" wasn't on the brush settings palette in 3. I got used to the oval brush or flat brush rotating to the stroke direction. In 4 you have a round brush at Aspect 100 but it makes the same kind of strokes as in 3. It was just something I got used to in 3. In my old age, I must becoming resistant to change.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Someonesane View Post
    Have you tried the Stylus Properties panel? If not, try this:

    1 - Select the Oil Brush tool
    2 - Open the settings panel and click on the menu tab (Point 1, in the attached image below)
    3 - Select the "Set Stylus Properties" option (Point 2), to open the "Stylus Properties" panel.
    4 - Remove the "Rotation" property, by clicking on the "X" (Point 3). You can always add it back later, if need be.
    5 - Accept the changes by clicking "OK" (Point 4).

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    Thanks a lot for showing me this, but I'm afraid it didn't change anything... When I turn off That rotation from the panel, it still rotates when I rotate my stylus.. So not noticing a different effect on it by changing that.
    I'm a bit confused by all the rotation features here.. I just want it to behave like 3.5

    Quote Originally Posted by mikecur View Post
    Someonesane,
    I see what you mean. "Aspect" wasn't on the brush settings palette in 3. I got used to the oval brush or flat brush rotating to the stroke direction. In 4 you have a round brush at Aspect 100 but it makes the same kind of strokes as in 3. It was just something I got used to in 3. In my old age, I must becoming resistant to change.

    Yeah.. I think that's what's going on for me too... I just wish it was rotating in the direction of the stroke like it did before. It helped me fill in objects when I could see the shape of the cursor rotating with it....
    But I guess if it's technically the same, just without a rotating cursor as a guide, I should try to adjust.. Hm. Let me know if you do anything Mike, that makes it feel, or appear more like the old brush.

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