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    Forum re-org question.

    We're in the process of reorganizing the forum slightly.
    I'll give more details about that shortly. But I'd welcome some input on one of the changes we'd like to make.
    We'd like to add a forum to put artworks that contain nudity or violence or other subject matter that could make them unsuitable to a 'general' gallery.

    I should make two things clear about that: 1) It's not intended to be a place to encourage pornographic art, and 2) We're not trying to be web censors either.

    There will be no viewing restrictions on the new gallery. The important differentiation is that it's a conscious effort to open the new gallery rather than stumbling by accident over images that nudity or violent content in the general gallery.

    The big question is... What do we call the gallery! If we call it 'Adult content' it sounds like a porn-fest. How about 'Mature Audience'? 'PG13+'? 'Other than General Viewing'?
    I'd welcome suggestions for name for a new gallery section where we can move 'mature' content from the general gallery to its own gallery.
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    Re: Forum re-org question.

    We'd like to add a forum to put artworks that contain nudity or violence or other subject matter that could make them unsuitable to a 'general' gallery.

    The big question is... What do we call the gallery!
    Another painting software site (Pixarra Twisted Brush) had this issue and they setup two additional galleries called Human Form and PinUps. They don't restrict access, but if someone requests it, they will adjust your settings so that those forms will not show on your login. (I think their website uses IP Board)

    Hope that helps.

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    Hi,

    It probably needs doing but you're never going to get it exactly right.

    A two tier classification as you suggested will be the way to go, but having painted Religious Paintings and Icons in the past you are going to have some delicate moderating to do. They can contain a lot of blood and doom and frightening stuff. I got through a lot of Alazarin Crimson.

    Pin Up and Human Form are good suggestions, but with all differentiation, no matter how well intentioned, you end up with a map to the bits which you want to keep away from children and sensitive adults. This may work for sensitive adults, but merely puts all the "naughty bits" in one place so that inquisitive children don't have to plough through the whole gallery.

    Good luck with this quest. You're going to need it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aged P
    Hi,

    you end up with a map to the bits which you want to keep away from children and sensitive adults. This may work for sensitive adults, but merely puts all the "naughty bits" in one place so that inquisitive children don't have to plough through the whole gallery.
    That's why Pixarra also did the part I mentioned above:

    "They don't restrict access, but if someone requests it, they will adjust your settings so that those forms will not show on your login "

    That should cover your objection, no? If not, why not?

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    Hi Improv,

    Sorry, I missed that bit in your posting, due to reading and answering and making breakfast at the same time. ops:

    Yes, I agree with you, that's the best option. Two or more galleries with the choice of which appear on the screen.

    Phil
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    I'd prefer at this stage to keep it to one additional gallery. And it would be for images possibly with nudity, or violence, or any other content which might get Mothers Against Fun's hearts aflutter.

    It would be entirely up to the forum moderators what to move into (or out of) there.
    The goal is to have one forum clean enough to send your grandmother to, and an additional forum to put images which still have artistic merit but you'd prefer your grandmother to make the conscious effort to see, rather than have her discover them accidentally.
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    How about simply calling it 'over 18's'

    this should cover both nudity and horror content
    I know it's hard to restrict viewing,
    any title you put up will be tempting to the 'younger viewers'

    but if parents with young children see that title, they will
    know straight away, that their children are not suppose to be
    in that forum.
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    Boy, Andy, are you opening a can of worms. Open the door to one thing, you're likely going to slam it on another.

    Allow extreme material and you will certainly close the door on the pre-adult educational market. And from what I can surmise, you are designing features in the product for the hobbyist and kids.

    You can't have it both ways.

    "Artistic Nudes" is probably safe if cautioned, since there's a tradition of that sort of thing in the world. But that's still going to offend some people.

    Extreme Content - Rated X is opening the door to just that.

    Personally I am not nearly as conservative as it sounds like from what I just said. But you're asking about your business, and I'm talking to you from that perspective.

    Let people who want to use ArtRage for fringe content do so. No worries. They can find a neutral place to show it that you're not connected with.

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    I'll agree that moving violent, gore, and/or nude post to another forum would be a good idea. However, I'm not sure how you accomplish that without creating a "magnet" for the under viewing age curious. Children can be very resourceful.

    I have three nieces and one nephew. My initial reaction when stumbling upon the forums was to show them where they could view art done by ARagers. However, upon browsing the forums, I decided it would be best to refrain because of some of the content.

    I myself have been put off by some of the content and have learned to avoid certain posters. There have been some posts which were not clearly marked either.

    If I were to post, some of my posts would be current/past war scenes. Some of these can be graphic. Some of them would be political as well. Painting subjects that make statements can sometimes disturb even adults at times. I showed a picture to my sister, and her response was less than flattering.

    Age verification scenarios can be hard to enforce. Passwords are archived, and children know how to get around age verification if they are resourceful.

    It's a complex issue. One could use age verification, or a separate forum link mailed to the user upon age verification or a requirement that posts be marked. Marked posts would work for Aunt Martha.

    A children's forum might work as well. I suspect the MAC has some sort of parental control as IE does in windows. Setting up forum links marked in some way for parents to 404 them might be another solution. I filter out on a link by link basis through a firewall at my home.

    I would suggest a "hidden" Violent/Figure forum, a children's forum, and a rating/reporting/moderation system. Many sites now use rating/reporting systems. Rating system would allow the general forum to moderate itself.

    In the end, moving some content from the general forum places the responsibility of the child upon the parent, not the forum.

    Mouse.

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    I agree, Mouse. We're not actually intending to restrict access to the forum - it will still be up to parents to take responsibility for their children's access.
    The idea is just to move some images out of the general forum so people aren't going to accidentally stumble on them. It is a conscious effort to view the other forum.

    But you're also correct in that it could become a magnet for porn, so we'd like to choose a name that makes the meaning clear without inviting Pornfest2000
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