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Thread: Web Site page design problem, comment on my web site, link from my site to Art Rage.

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    Web Site page design problem, comment on my web site, link from my site to Art Rage.

    I have not been able to get around to this forum much lately compared to past years as a result of no internet at home and limitations to library public use which has daily time limits. Most of my time on the internet has been used to try and find employment, this has lead nowhere over the past several years. I may have my age working against me at 58, this may be the reason for such dismal results. At any rate I need to make more income to keep up with life in general and have decided that relying on other people to hire me is not working anymore. As a result I am attempting to try and make some income from my artwork. Have spent quite a lot of time over the past three years designing this web site that is sort of like a gallery of my work, this may help sell some work or at least provide people on the internet a chance to see what I have done.

    The web site is organized into several sections: traditional media, digital media, mixed media (a combination of traditional and digital media), and an adult X rated section sort of set off from the main focal point of the other three sections. There is one subsection within the digital media part of the web site that displays artwork created with the Art Rage program. Most of the pages throughout the web site have background designs created with graphic arts programs that were resized and reformatted into jpgs for use as backgrounds. The artwork created with the Art Rage program does have some designs included that more or less bring to the viewers awareness that such a program exists and may provide interest in the program. If anyone here is interested in viewing this web site I would appreciate any comments.
    The address is: www.stephenlopiano.com


    I would advise anyone sensitive to nudity and raw nasty humor to avoid the adult section of this web site. I have included such since my results from posting images has proven that pornographic imagery does get a lot of viewing. There seems to be a special audience for this type of work. Some people get bored with traditional type artwork of portraits, landscapes, and still life paintings. Sometimes you need outrageous stuff and nude paintings of beautiful young women to attract attention, this may increase your viewing audience.


    If someone here at this forum involved with the Art Rage Ambient Design program would like me to place a link within my web site to Art Rage within the section where I have my images created with this program, in a reply to this thread mention the URL address of the page that would be best to link to. I have always appreciated the creators of this program for getting me started and interested in digital graphic arts, the interface of this program is really close to working with traditional media.

    The last thing here I would like to mention is possibly some help with one thing that bothers me about my web site. Maybe someone here with knowledge and experience could offer a solution or point me in the direction of finding one. I used the Nvu program to design this web site and the WYSIWYG layout format to construct most pages. I used many links on each page for easier navigation throughout the entire site, some with thumbnail size jpgs and others with underlined text. Most are set against custom designed backgrounds using jpgs. When someone views the pages you need to set the Zoom/View browser settings to precise level or else the links get scrambled all over the page instead of appearing exactly the way I set them up in the layout using Nvu. Again if you take the right side of the open window of your browser while viewing and move it inwards the same thing occurs as adjusting the zoom/view level in browsers. Is there anyway I might change this situation for browser viewing by locking in place all the links and images on the page to appear the same way no matter what size your LCD screen is, or browser viewing settings? I would prefer a situation where if you increase the viewing area a bottom scroll bar will appear to move you through the entire page since it will not appear in its entirety within the viewing area of your browser. Again if you decrease the viewing area the window will simply shrink to the size of the viewing area you want and display the entire page with everything correctly positioned within the layout as intended with the Nvu program. This would avoid all the scrambling of underlined text and images that were specifically layed out to be positioned in a certain place images with underlined text centered underneath the thumbnail as links to other pages.
    Is there some html coding, CSS styling, or script writing that might accomplish this goal? I have looked into some books yet cannot find exactly what I am looking for, again I have limited resources and an off line computer with XP and an old IE 6 browser program, some CSS coding according to books will not work with this older browser version. Maybe this is simply a limitation of what a computer can do, and I would have to totally reconstruct the pages over to avoid this circumstance?


    Any help pointing me in the right direction here is appreciated.
    Thank you for any time and consideration.
    Last edited by Stephen Lo Piano; 06-14-2011 at 03:59 AM.
    The very first digital art program that I worked with Art Rage 1

    You may visit my personally designed website at: www.stephenlopiano.com
    There is one section full of pages there under the Digital Artwork category that is devoted entirely to paintings I have created with Art Rage.

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    I took a look at your website. I find your work quite interesting and well done. However, the problems you mention detract from the viewing experience. Its just hard to get from one point to the other. Asking viewers to resize their browser wont get you much repeat business.

    I worked with web design for educational purpose some years ago. Much has changed with HTML5 and the lastest version of CSS. Without a fairly sound grasp of CSS, HTML, and javascript basics, itll be hard for you to accomplish what you want. If you do know a bit, there are many sites that offer free code snippets for just about every situation. But that requires knowing how and where to put them.

    The easiest way for a non-coder to create a crisp and clutter-free site is to use something like Xara Web Designer or Xara Web Designer Pro. These do not create the cleanest code for those working with others, but they create beautiful web sites. (No, I dont work for them and have never used them, but Ive seen some great results.) The major drawback here, based on your comments, is that they are around $70 and $140 respectively.

    Just a thought. Google Xara for the website if you want to learn more and see some of their examples.

    Best of luck with your project!
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    You can get an artist website already built that is much better for displaying art. Bobby Ray has his web page there.

    take a look:

    http://bobby-ray-howle.artistwebsites.com/index.html

    these are only 30.00 for a whole year.

    not a bad idea and also you can sell artwork from there.
    here is their website:

    http://artistwebsites.com/

    something to consider.

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    Stephen! Great to see you again. Have wondered from time to time how you're faring. I see we are roughly the same age and I found myself cringing a couple times when you spoke of the job hunting situation.

    I have two different comments, having visited your site. First, your paintings have really been coming together. Bravo to you! I would recommend not stopping painting cause you seem to be on a roll.

    And the other comment is unfortunately that I agree with the previous two comments in that the site is rather chaotic and I found it challenging to navigate. It may be as essential to get that right as it is to have good paintings on it.

    I would have to say that for 30 dollars a year you would to well to scrape together the money which I'm sure is very hard to come by. But you're staking your income on this and I think it worth it because it will give you your best shot at getting people to look.

    I recommend focusing your energy on painting which is what you are aiming at. You have a style which you are getting really pretty darn good at. If your circumstances are as dire as you suggest, playing to your strengths makes sense. Page design is a whole different mentality, and the front end is nothing compared to the complications of the back end which is the coding and especially the business transactions of when you sell. Get buried in all that and you run a very considerable risk of bleeding your painting energy.

    I get the impression that you are trying to create a tone for the site reflecting your circumstances (lots of heart with few resources), and a slick site might lose that edge. But I think if you frustrate the viewer, you would be shooting yourself in the foot. So take care on that one. I'm really rooting for ya. I mean it.

    Your paintings are cool. May they sell and sell and sell. Good luck to you Stephen and hope to see ya around here more and more as your fortunes improve. Peace, bro.
    "Not a bit is wasted and the best is yet to come. . ." -- remembered from a dream

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    Thanks for the suggestions and comments.

    I do not intend to redesign this web site and totally change each page with some templates or other re-construction. There are over 210 pages to this entire web site.
    Spent the last several years working on this site, started with a flowchart and spent a lot of time thinking about the best way to construct this site for organization and navigation. Included a drop down menu on the front page so anyone could go directly to any particular title and derivatives of images.

    I have noticed web sites and computer programs you run on your home computer have the same situation. When you click on that little icon to the left of the red X in the upper right hand corner the window you are viewing either locks into full view or disengages from being locked into full size view. Some programs and web sites do the same thing if you make the window viewing size smaller by moving the right side panel inwards and making the column appearance shorter. Again with web sites when you click on the view size and change the percentage from a menu or the little magnifier icon adjustment for +or -. A lot of the page content gets scrambled all over the place.
    All I want to do is simply lock everything on each page into place so that nothing changes, instead a scroll bar will appear to move through the entire page. I want all the little thumbnail icon avatars and underlined text to lock into place no matter what size you adjust the viewing level to.
    The very first digital art program that I worked with Art Rage 1

    You may visit my personally designed website at: www.stephenlopiano.com
    There is one section full of pages there under the Digital Artwork category that is devoted entirely to paintings I have created with Art Rage.

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    Hi Stephen. I think your original question was about enhancing what you already have going then. So my follow up would be something you already have likely done, which is go to the site where the original open source software is the focal point and post questions there. . .

    But it was a good shot coming here since you know that many of the people here are or used to be involved with web design and such. Maybe somebody else will be coming and posting to your question.

    Anyway, keep at it! And may fortune smile upon you, my friend. And the comments here can be something to tuck away if you should need such a thing. I myself did not know about the 30 dollars a year thing and plan to use it. :-)
    "Not a bit is wasted and the best is yet to come. . ." -- remembered from a dream

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    Hi Stephen, nice to hear from you. I read that you've already put alot of work into your homepage, but I think the suggestions made by the other mates are nevertheless worth thinking about. There are quite some browsers that additionally coexist with older versions on the market, they have different restrictions and interpret code differently, that easily leads to alot of work and to the need for individual coding for specific browsers to make a website look convincing on all of them, even if you just concentrate on the most popular and recent Browsers. A prebuilt site as suggested can still be the easier way to achieve your goal and as well a time saver.

    Concerning your question, what you described in your second post can for example be achieved by setting a specific min width for the entire html body. Put it in your appropriate css file or add it directly to your css style attribute of the body tag.
    The style attribute version would look like this: <body style="background-image: url(4C%20A%20Front%20Page%20Background%20For%20Pre sent%20to%20Future%20Page.jpg);min-width:1400px;">


    Best of luck Stephen.

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    Thanks again. To D. Akey your encouragement is appreciated, we've had some good conversations here in the past.

    Belvrog you have posted here something interesting about setting a minimum width. Is it possible to set a minimum and maximum so that the page is controlled and restricted into a narrow range, for example minimum setting of 1400 and maximum setting of 1410?
    The very first digital art program that I worked with Art Rage 1

    You may visit my personally designed website at: www.stephenlopiano.com
    There is one section full of pages there under the Digital Artwork category that is devoted entirely to paintings I have created with Art Rage.

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    If your layout does not get wider than the min-width it will be completely static with what I've posted already, just give it a try, but yes "max-width" exists as well as "width".

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    Im beginning to believe this internet web site stuff is really a complicated mess and a nightmare of complications and updates that are making anything impossible.
    I think its time to forget about making any money on artwork through the internet and go back to simply traditional media artwork with real oils, acrylics and canvas.

    I have dug into at least seven books and have tried a lot of cascading style sheet rules.
    They do not work the way they are shown in the books. Everything comes out different, some are simply ignored and only the old html coding will display on my browser.
    Grant it I am working with an older internet browser version 6 and 7 explorer.
    Everything looks the way I want it to look on my personal computer with these older versions of explorer. Problem is when you go to a newer version of explorer or try Mozilla Firefox things move around and in some circumstances totally appear different.

    I cannot afford any internet service at home since 2008 and have worked on this web site off line totally over the past several years. Everything works fine using Internet Explorer 6 and 7, I tried to make the best with what I have knowing I could not afford anything else new and expensive to upgrade. My ability to buy new equipment is also impossible; I am working with software and tools from a time when I did have money to spend on computer technology yet is no longer possible. Again it took me several years to put together what I have. If I did theoretically have the money to re-invest, by time I started over again with things the way they have changed everything would probably be obsolete and not work again due to constant fast pace changes. Im looking at over 140 pages designed here with different settings and backgrounds that already took me several years to complete.

    What I have learned from digging into books about web design with html xhtml and cascading style sheets is that things are constantly changing. Almost all the coding they illustrate in books does not work using internet explorer versions 6 and 7 and, NVU or Notepad. If I attempt to embed or inline a rule the browser will simply ignore it or creates unintended results where the background image totally disappears or some other surprise result. No external set up of a style sheet works on my older computer with IE 6 and 7.
    There appears to be some embedded hybrid version of styling in my web pages that were created with NVU, totally different from any of the books I have looked over, punctuation is different. This is a total nightmare of complications and problems that are totally overwhelming where nothing seems to work to get the results you want.

    What can I say, if I were rich and could afford to upgrade to new hardware, software and had the time to do everything over again maybe it would be worth a second try. Yet, to run out and buy the latest updates and versions of software programs to keep up to date with the latest hardware and operating systems along with the time to spend at home learning all this new stuff and getting everything up fast enough before it becomes obsolete and they change everything with every new version of css, xhtml, Firefox, Internet Explorer and now Chrome for mobile devices seems like a lot of money and time. Again you have transitional versions tagged onto HTML versions 1 thru 5 along with transitional and strict versions for each version of html and xhtml. You cannot seem to use newer version updates of rules and coding on older versions yet if you were to set up a web site, people using older browsers and operating systems would not be able to view any of the newer xhtml and css stuff so you need to check everything for backward compatibility and appearance. I cannot seem to open any xhtml files on Internet Explorer versions 6, 7 or 8.
    Again is the problem also related to the operating system? Maybe newer coding and rules for html and css are not recognized on Windows XP yet will be recognized on Windows 7? Notepad in XP can create any type of text writing with a forced file extension yet will not open XHTML files or recognize some css rules created when opening Internet Explorer using Windows XP Professional with Service Pack 3. Is it possible that XHTML and the later css styling rules are only recognized in the Notepad program within Windows 7 and not earlier operating system versions?

    They say in books there are over 94 million web sites running on the internet right now and constantly getting larger in amount. I could simply try a basic simple boring web site that would run easy enough yet with all the other competition out there it would not stand out. The web site I designed here had a unique special personal creative flare to make it different and hopefully attract attention. If this doesnt work I have made a fatal mistake in getting involved with this stuff in the first place.
    Last edited by Stephen Lo Piano; 07-08-2011 at 08:03 AM.
    The very first digital art program that I worked with Art Rage 1

    You may visit my personally designed website at: www.stephenlopiano.com
    There is one section full of pages there under the Digital Artwork category that is devoted entirely to paintings I have created with Art Rage.

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