Thank you Byron, I was wondering what the problem was, but I went to the tech thread and one of the Rage boys told me the smooth setting could be the trouble, I turned it off and both the ink pen and pencil perform as they should.
Thank you so much for taking the time to help it's much appreciated, I used the pencil a lot in rage 2 the new ink pen is good too, mind you there's so many new points and we'll discover new along the way.
Thanks again Byron, I couldn't reply to your private email I didn't see an option there.
Sandyg.