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aardbewoner
06-26-2014, 11:52 PM
As i read Windows XP will not be supported by ArtRage 4.5 that make it on useable then.
More reason to ask again for a linux version !

MattRage
06-27-2014, 08:33 AM
Unfortunately we're not able to support XP in the latest version due to some of the more modern technology we introduced when we shifted to our 64 bit build. Changes in the operating system and improvements to the product that can be made by taking advantage of those do mean that it may be unavoidable that an older operating system is not supported in new product versions. However, we will be keeping version 4.0 available in the Member Area so that the existing version continues to work.

aardbewoner
08-12-2014, 08:35 PM
It stil stings,specialy now you can upgrade free to 4,5 :mad:

Riggz
08-13-2014, 09:51 AM
Although for a different reason, I feel your pain.

I had an old Dell XPS system running XP (top of the line when I bought it back when dinosaurs ruled the internet). I also had a 2008 model Macbook Pro running slightly outdated OS, too. The Dell finally died and the MBP did weeks later. It was tough because the XP system was looking to be a series of upgrades I wanted and then some I needed but colliding with the hardware of what started out as a Win98 machine being old.

In the end, I got a current model 27" iMac with the latest Mac OSX, put Windows 8.1 on the Bootcamp partition and am really happy to be out of the XP-dying situation. 13 years was good service for that OS on a 15 year old computer. It wasn't how I planned to upgrade (and I never like spending money) but in the end it keeps my current and my workflow going forward.

I hope you can find a way to update/upgrade and keep the joy of digital art going strong.

ivanvr
08-13-2014, 09:48 PM
As i read Windows XP will not be supported by ArtRage 4.5 that make it on useable then.
More reason to ask again for a linux version !

If you are still using XP you are using an unsafe system. None will develop new software for XP... Ubuntu and Linux are a different story, I know. But developing new software for XP is simply losing time and maybe even money: you have to use the right software. Old versions, made for XP.

Zeropainter
08-14-2014, 04:37 AM
As a Linux-user u could try to run under WINE https://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=27665

MattRage
08-14-2014, 09:09 AM
I think part of the original poster's concern was that WINE may not support the newer OS systems we're using in 4.5. However, until someone tries it I don't think anyone will know for sure.

Dropping support for older systems is not something we do often, and we try to delay it as long as possible, but in this case the overhead of supporting XP as well, and some of the odd behaviours we found in Windows functionality when running those compatible systems in 64 bit, made it necessary.

AndyRage
08-14-2014, 09:31 AM
Anyone bemoaning loss of XP support should seriously consider trying Windows 7.
It is a good stable solid OS, and with a bit of UI tweaking can look and work almost the same as Windows XP.
Because Microsoft has dropped XP support it means our development tools are losing XP support. For us to continue supporting XP it would mean we'd be forced to use older tools, and we wouldn't be able to take advantage of newer better technologies in the Windows operating system. This would disadvantage all our ArtRage users.
Windows XP was released 13 years ago. We had to move on.

Iacobus
08-14-2014, 04:28 PM
Adding to what everyone's said, Ambient Design isn't the only company to do this.

Adobe, for example, wants you to at least have Windows 7 or higher to even use Photoshop CC. I had to upgrade from Windows Vista to Windows 8.1. (Which I don't regret despite some growing pains with device drivers. All things are running quite smoothly now.)

aardbewoner
08-14-2014, 07:43 PM
Ivanvr xp is only unsafe if you conect your computer to the internet ,basicly ANY computer on the net is at risk!
Matt you hit the nail on the head , i will try it in wine,but if the installer do not work i need your help,wil PM you then.
Andy I use linux for years now ,so thanks god no windows 7 or 8 or 9 for me.No need for a 8 core 3 MHz comp with 12 GB mem just to start wordpad !
I stil love Artrage :)

A PC is not a WC most forget that !

aardbewoner
08-18-2014, 08:56 AM
Wel the installer just halt and thats it :( So no luck to install 4.5 under wine.

MattRage
08-18-2014, 11:51 AM
I suspect this is due to the same thing that happened with 4.0. We did some research and it looks like a function in WINE that was supposed to be fixed was either unfixed or removed somehow - There is a simple function required by the Windows installer that WINE isn't supporting currently (there were a bunch of comments about this on their site). We are looking at whether we can do a non-installer solution.

aardbewoner
08-19-2014, 11:58 PM
Yes we go on trying, with the help of the Artrage team !

kenmo
08-20-2014, 01:37 AM
Even Microsoft is no longer support XP so why would anyone expect a small development company like Ambient to do so?

IMHO ArtRage is the best 2D painting application available and costs a fraction of the price of Painter.... In my opinion there is NO alternative to Artrage. It's the best...

hildee
08-20-2014, 12:01 PM
Even Microsoft is no longer support XP so why would anyone expect a small development company like Ambient to do so?

Well said.

oretez
09-26-2014, 02:22 PM
If you are still using XP you are using an unsafe system. None will develop new software for XP... Ubuntu and Linux are a different story, I know. But developing new software for XP is simply losing time and maybe even money: you have to use the right software. Old versions, made for XP.

noted & accepted, but as reply to this noted: 'unsafe' for whom? can you point to specific rigorous whitepapers that demonstrate how XP is less safe then any other, more current, mass-produced, mass marketed OS?

so while I do not ever expect commercial software to sustain support for XP it remains one of the more stable OS's that supports a tremendous amount of ancillary hardware with more then half of it's potential life left. Maintaining XP legacy systems is certainly not for everyone but jumping on current fashion bandwagons is seldom profitable for niche and/or boutique enterprises (unless one's scam is fashion)

My oldest continuously functional systems are a pair of IBM A31 3 spindle laptops . . . that by virtue of the 3 spindles (if not their weight) are wonderful field machines that hardware can not utilize either current Win or Apple (in fact modern Linux is getting a bit beyond their comfort zone)

I'm not sure I own a desktop system on which any current version of Win/Apple would run (& am currently using 4 intranet connected desktop systems to edit a bit of vid that I'm not entirely sure any current desk top system could accomplish more efficiently . . . a big trick is to make use not only of the 64 bit data bus but for apps to efficiently make use of multi processors . . . but more importantly due to length of time I've spent refining the XP install the mission critical systems are as stable as any computer I've used going back to 1984. I am patiently waiting for Linux Android ArtRage (not for commercial or mission critical use . . . just personal relaxation) but even while I use Linux (think every current system is finally dual boot) & have targeted it as my 'future' OS I'll retain XP as long as the ancillary Hardware survives . . . hardware that is not fashion constrained.

point of post is that one of ArtRage's marketing points is "Art Your Way!" & my way includes some very nice multitouch input devices that are supported quite nicely by XP (my basic general opinion about MS is best summarized by: 'A pox on all their houses!')

aardbewoner
09-27-2014, 03:43 AM
Most forget that ALL threads come from the internet-external.So a stand alone computer is safe :o
And lets be honest most programs do not need a update .note pad is stil the same :rolleyes:
What i hate is that the asume a PC = windows ,wel not many programs run on windo 1 that i stil have.
And technical all computers run on machine code .Problem is the can not program anymore ,the use tools
and tools are sold by/for the OS working on version X . So i stay with my virtual xp and run linux as OS
ans artrage on wine.