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Jeff_Gerke
10-24-2013, 11:21 AM
Greetings,

I'm in the market for one of those detachable notebooks that clip off from the keyboard to become a touchpad tablet. I'd be open to going with just a tablet, as well. Doesn't have to be a detachable notebook, but I do need the typing and other functions for a travel computer.

I'm sick of not being able to work on ArtRage while traveling.

I need one with a stylus (or one that a stylus can be used with) so I'm not digital fingerpainting.

So what do you guys use that you like?

What do you recommend?

Thank you!

Jeff

rscottfree
10-25-2013, 04:32 AM
I have looked a lot at the surface pro and now surface pro 2. Still saving up for it, but it has a wacom pen and an accessory keyboard you can buy separate. I have also looked at the Sony Tap 11 and the Thinkpad Helix. My choice would be the surface pro 2 for it's performance and price even though I wish the screen were bigger.

Jeff_Gerke
10-25-2013, 04:46 AM
Thank you. That's very helpful. The price for the Tap 11 is certainly better than for some of the other detachable notebook/tablets I've seen. Most of those are running $1,100-2,000.

Actually, the Surface 2 seems to be about the same price, or maybe less.

I'm a Windows/PC guy myself, but is there any reason not to go with an iPad plus stylus and keyboard?

Jeff

cliveh
12-16-2013, 04:13 AM
I have had the Android version of this Asus (TF101) for 2 years, but really need MS Office, not a limited clone; the home and student version is bundled free with this. The integrated keyboard is very stable and comfortable- I use it on my lap on the train.

It uses full Windows 8.1 and has USB 3.0, a microSD card slot, micro USB, and micro HDMI. Battery life is 11 hours. It supports WiDi, so can display wirelessly to a suitably equipped TV.

What has surprised me is that so far all my old XP programs run trouble free.
Art Rage was one of the first programs I bought (upgraded to 4), having missed it on the Android. It is stunning.

amazon.com are selling the 64Gb version for $369.

this is a fast modern tablet with a great display (though fewer apps than IOS or Android)
But it seems to me to be also a fully functional windows PC, running both ancient and modern Windows software, not least the latest version of Office.

I was lucky that this came out in November just when I needed a new tablet.

Jeff_Gerke
12-22-2013, 03:45 PM
Question for you, cliveh (or anyone else using the Asus Transformer T100):

Can you rest your palm on the screen without marking on the picture or causing the image to zoom or move?

I went into Best Buy tonight to test this out, but they had sold out of the Transformer. I messed around with some other tablets, and resting my palm on the screen and then using a stylus or finger on the screen caused all manner of palm-painting, zooming, and canvas moving--instead of painting.

Then I tried the Microsoft Surface Pro 2 and their Fresh Paint program and stylus. Their "palm-blocking technology" allowed me to rest my palm right on the screen and then paint perfectly with the stylus, with no unwanted results. It was very steady and nice.

If you can't put your palm on the screen of the Asus Transformer, where do you rest your palm? On the edge of the frame?

Thank you.

Jeff

Blue Ridge Sketcher
01-06-2014, 03:52 AM
I have the Dell Venue Pro, which is Windows based. It is great and at a very good price also, an lots of packages. Check it out at Dell and if you are a Walmart fan they carry the Pro now also. Personally I got mine from Dell. Let us know which way you go.

bluez
01-06-2014, 06:02 AM
An alternative you might consider is to buy a small Wacom Bamboo (or any other small graphics tablet): You can easily connect it to any Android Tablet with a USB OTG cable or adapter. On my Nexus 10 it worked right out of the box (incl. pressure dynamics). I actually prefer it over a Galaxy Note etc because I really dont like to draw on glass. The downside is that you have to carry 2 devices, but the small bamboos are pretty lightweight. Similarly, you can connect any keyboard to your Android device with an USB OTG adapter. There are some cheap portable ones available. This should be a lot cheaper compared to the 1,100-2,000$ pricetag of the detachable notebook/tablets.

Jeff_Gerke
01-06-2014, 08:18 AM
Thanks, you guys.

The one I'm really looking at now is the Asus Transformer T100.

I like the price ($399) and the included keyboard.

It's not a pressure-sensitivity-enabled tablet, but I've been researching capacitive styluses that aren't big and blunt like fingertips (I like this one: http://www.amazon.com/GoSmart-Stylus-Other-Screen-Devices/dp/B008I9EXVM), and I'm thinking of trying this doohickey (http://glydewrite.com/) or this glove (http://www.thehandglider.com/) to allow me to rest my hand on the tablet even though the Asus doesn't have palm-rejection.

My next-best option is to purchase the Surface Pro 2 and additional keyboard, which is getting me up to $1,200. Better to pay $450 for all this gear including the tablet, eh?

Jeff

cliveh
01-13-2014, 12:20 PM
Question for you, cliveh (or anyone else using the Asus Transformer T100):

Can you rest your palm on the screen without marking on the picture or causing the image to zoom or move?

I went into Best Buy tonight to test this out, but they had sold out of the Transformer. I messed around with some other tablets, and resting my palm on the screen and then using a stylus or finger on the screen caused all manner of palm-painting, zooming, and canvas moving--instead of painting.....

If you can't put your palm on the screen of the Asus Transformer, where do you rest your palm? On the edge of the frame?


I use Art Rage sitting down comfortably with the keyboard open so my fingers or stylus do go directly from above onto the screen - have not experienced any manner of disruption. To test out your experience I removed the keyboard and rested my palm on the black strip below the actual screen - again had no disruption. In fact I had to try hard even to get both a palm and a finger on the screen. Of course there can be all sorts of ways both of sitting down and of holding the tablet so I can't be certain that this will apply under all circumstances.

cliveh
01-13-2014, 12:36 PM
Thanks, you guys.

The one I'm really looking at now is the Asus Transformer T100.

I like the price ($399) and the included keyboard.

It's not a pressure-sensitivity-enabled tablet, but I've been researching capacitive styluses that aren't big and blunt like fingertips......

My next-best option is to purchase the Surface Pro 2 and additional keyboard, which is getting me up to $1,200. Better to pay $450 for all this gear including the tablet, eh?

Jeff

Now I am using the T100 everyday, I really underestimated the benefits of this amazing device. Essentially it is a completely normal PC except for the lack of a hard drive, running all manner of XP software. Crucially it comes with the latest version of Office, so no constant worries about functionality and compatibility as with the clones on Android. But it also is a tablet, albeit that there are not many apps available. It works well for the online sports channel I follow, and when projected on a large TV display it generates a much higher resolution than what you see on the tablet itself. I had not realised that Windows 8.1 on a tablet allows two windows to be open at once side by side. With an application like Art Rage it really comes into its own as this is not simply a tablet app, but a much more powerful PC app that you get the full benefit from within a tablet form factor.

The "keyboard" is not simply a keyboard, it also has a USB3 socket and hence a vast array of connectivity. A cheap USB DVD writer works at once, for example. The micro-USB charging socket can like an Android, be made into a full but low power USB socket with a cheap On the Go adapter.

Some people find the tablet size screen a bit small for running PC applications, and some icons do turn out very small - I then use the mouse cursor to get accuracy on those. But that is probably the only significant negative.

Jeff_Gerke
01-13-2014, 01:27 PM
This is very encouraging, cliveh, thank you.

Yesterday I ordered my T100 and now I'm eager for it to arrive.

I did order that weird glydewrite doohickey I linked to in my previous note, plus this stylus (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00CA67PVO/ref=oh_details_o01_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1).

I decided to go with the 32GB version of the T100. Everyone is backordered on the 64GB version. Even Amazon was charging more than $100 beyond what WalMart and BestBuy had been charging. No one had any idea how long it would be until new units came in, and I wanted mine now [grin]. I'll get a 64GB SD card and call it even.

Cliveh, do you use a stylus? And do you use a film/screen protector over the screen? I've ordered one.

Sorry, but I'm geeked to get this baby.

Jeff

cliveh
01-14-2014, 12:40 AM
This is very encouraging, cliveh, thank you.

Yesterday I ordered my T100 and now I'm eager for it to arrive...
Cliveh, do you use a stylus? And do you use a film/screen protector over the screen? I've ordered one.
Sorry, but I'm geeked to get this baby.

Jeff

Congratulations. I also have the smaller memory size and a 64gb card.
Outside Art Rage I mostly use fingers or the mouse where I need to click a tiny icon.
In Art Rage I do use a $2 stylus which is OK for handwriting but otherwise mostly fingers. I don't use a film protector.

In Art Rage, there is incredible control over the flow of ink and the brush tip, and this may be as important a factor as the qualities of the stylus.
I want to use as small handwriting as possible. I have found the "ink pen" is very suitable for this, even with a $2 stylus.
Firstly I put the preset at "Technical Pen"
Select black ink
Next I take down the width to 2% - at the minimum of 1% it comes out grey not black
I then zoom the page up to 400%, 600% or more. At this size you can see the individual pixels being created as you handwrite.

Happy mark making!

Jeff_Gerke
01-14-2014, 04:15 AM
Great tips. Thank you!

cliveh
01-14-2014, 11:24 AM
Question for you, cliveh (or anyone else using the Asus Transformer T100):

Can you rest your palm on the screen without marking on the picture or causing the image to zoom or move?

I went into Best Buy tonight to test this out, but they had sold out of the Transformer. I messed around with some other tablets, and resting my palm on the screen and then using a stylus or finger on the screen caused all manner of palm-painting, zooming, and canvas moving--instead of painting.

Jeff

Further to my earlier comment, I have now explicitly experimented with this. I disconnected the tablet from the keyboard and then treated it as if it was a piece of paper which put my palm onto the actual surface of the tablet. As you say, this does not work. On my Windows PC tablet with a resistive screen this was not a problem when the keyboard was in its normal position, because you could not feasibly get your palm on the screen. So I am used to not putting the palm down. I "naturally" don't put my palm down- if you naturally do and you have the Asus T100 you will have to adjust your palm posture when painting.

Jeff_Gerke
01-14-2014, 12:20 PM
Well, I'm going to see if the QwickDraw thing works (http://www.glydewrite.com/).

Thanks again.

Jeff_Gerke
02-07-2014, 03:19 AM
Just wanted to let cliveh and everyone else know that I am extremely happy with my Asus Transformer Book T100 tablet/netbook and ArtRage 4.

It's such an awesome little machine, and AR runs beautifully on it. For $350, you almost can't get a better entry into the tablet world--and this is a Windows 8.1 machine (not Android) that comes with full versions of Word, Excel, PowerPoint, etc.

It is not a pressure sensitive screen, so the expensive Wacom styluses won't work. It's a regular "capacitive" screen (like the iPad), so you have to use a stylus with a more fingertip-sized head. However, I found one that uses a flat and transparent disc rather than the blunt end that most of them have. Here's the stylus I'm using and loving: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00CA67PVO/ref=oh_details_o01_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1. It's inexpensive, stylish, and works great.

But the thing that saved me $600+ was this little $12 doodad: http://glydewrite.com/

The Asus tablet does not have palm rejection technology like the Microsoft Surface Pro 2 does. So if you rest your palm on the screen itself, it will register that as a touch from your stylus. When you then put your stylus on the screen as well, it registers that as multi-touch, and it scrolls, rotates, or resizes the screen instead of making marks.

So I thought I was either going to have to learn to balance my hand on the edge of the tablet or pay $1,000+ to upgrade to the Surface Pro. I didn't want to do that. So I did some research.

I discovered that the Glydewrite QwikDraw would do the trick. Its surface is made of microfiber, which is what is used to clean tablet screens. But the key thing about microfiber is that it is not capacitive--it prevents the electricity from your hand from getting to the screen and registering as a touch. Some brilliant inventor realized that he could make a little "palm sled" to go under the user's hand so s/he could rest the palm on the screen (riding on top of the QwikDraw) and not have the tablet see it as a touch.

It works beautifully. It even has a little pinky loop to keep the QwikDraw right under my palm no matter where I move. Not only does this allow me to rest my palm on the tablet (MUCH more natural than stretching from the edge of the frame), it's also cleaning the screen as I paint!

There you have it, friends: an inexpensive way into the Windows tablet market so you can use the full version of ArtRage 4 on the go.

Hope it helps. I'm extremely happy with the setup I have.

Jeff

P.S. I also need to send a shout out to Steve B for his pen-only toolbar for ArtRage 4: http://forums.artrage.com/showthread.php?42522-The-Artrage-Pen-Only-Toolbar-is-ready! It's awesome, Steve!

Jeff_Gerke
04-11-2014, 03:07 AM
Update: I've decided I don't like that stylus, after all (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00CA65AR0/ref=s9_psimh_gw_p147_d0_i1?pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_s=center-2&pf_rd_r=1HDEW56C9K6JR2P6GS00&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=1688200382&pf_rd_i=507846).

It doesn't draw straight lines or smooth curves. It's got a wobbly springlike action in the tip that causes it to make bobbly lines instead of straight.

Now I just use a $18 Targus stylus, which I love.

MJSparks
04-11-2014, 06:20 AM
If the Android version comes out. There are a lot of lovely well priced asus tablets that you can look into with keyboard detachments. They are good solid machines, just waiting for the AR.... "HINT - Ragers"!