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limey-g
12-01-2012, 10:12 AM
I thought it was time to try oil, something I know little about, hope it is ok.
Geoff

hypotaxis
12-01-2012, 11:11 AM
I like it Geoff.

Her intensity on tying the bow, her complete unawareness of us (the male gaze!) and the delicate colours of her tutu against the deep blue background is quite striking.

Brett

D Akey
12-01-2012, 11:17 AM
Pretty good first go here, Limey-G!

You have the information there where it belongs. Now when you next consider the information, you can look at it perhaps as to how things are differentiated, and how much that's important to the overall effect you're after.

An analogy would be if you were an aspiring musician with a certain amount of technical understanding, and you learned a piece of music for a recital. It's all very new at first and you are first getting the notes right. Some people are happy with that. But at some point, when you see that the notes are handled, you then start bringing yourself to it, with your interpretation. And that point can be anywhere along a wide range from photographically true all the way to hardly being able to connect the interpretation to the original. So there's a good, broad range there from which to choose.

A good next step might be to pop some details perhaps, like for instance with the ribbons on her shoe could be brought out a little here and there. Another idea would be to imagine a lighting source that's not there in the photo perhaps, but you choose to draw emphasis to it with a little extra lighting and intensity. Right now it's knocked back pretty low key, which co-incidentally is a great ground upon which to add saturation and light to -- modestly, seeing as this is fairly soft overall and a little bit goes a long way.

You have the notes more or less in place. Now it's a matter of what you want to show off -- ie. what tells her 'story'. You could pull a little forward in her face, you could cast some light falling on her feet, as if she's catching a little stage lighting while in the wings.

Anyway, it's accurate info you got. The paintbrush stuff looks pretty even. In photography one can do soft focus tricks. I think it would be challenging in a painting because it would not work well with paint strokes too much. But, on the other hand, the artist can use that idea and have lost and found edges, introduce accent colors and colored rim lighting and push it in that direction that painting over photography does so well. Same idea, different instrument, to keep with the analogy.

limey-g
12-01-2012, 12:46 PM
I like it Geoff.

Her intensity on tying the bow, her complete unawareness of us (the male gaze!) and the delicate colours of her tutu against the deep blue background is quite striking.

Brett
Thanks Brett when one goes outside ones comfort zone with a new tool as in this case it is always a challenge at first. Thanks for your kind words.
Geoff

limey-g
12-01-2012, 12:55 PM
Pretty good first go here, Limey-G!

You have the information there where it belongs. Now when you next consider the information, you can look at it perhaps as to how things are differentiated, and how much that's important to the overall effect you're after.

An analogy would be if you were an aspiring musician with a certain amount of technical understanding, and you learned a piece of music for a recital. It's all very new at first and you are first getting the notes right. Some people are happy with that. But at some point, when you see that the notes are handled, you then start bringing yourself to it, with your interpretation. And that point can be anywhere along a wide range from photographically true all the way to hardly being able to connect the interpretation to the original. So there's a good, broad range there from which to choose.

A good next step might be to pop some details perhaps, like for instance with the ribbons on her shoe could be brought out a little here and there. Another idea would be to imagine a lighting source that's not there in the photo perhaps, but you choose to draw emphasis to it with a little extra lighting and intensity. Right now it's knocked back pretty low key, which co-incidentally is a great ground upon which to add saturation and light to -- modestly, seeing as this is fairly soft overall and a little bit goes a long way.

You have the notes more or less in place. Now it's a matter of what you want to show off -- ie. what tells her 'story'. You could pull a little forward in her face, you could cast some light falling on her feet, as if she's catching a little stage lighting while in the wings.

Anyway, it's accurate info you got. The paintbrush stuff looks pretty even. In photography one can do soft focus tricks. I think it would be challenging in a painting because it would not work well with paint strokes too much. But, on the other hand, the artist can use that idea and have lost and found edges, introduce accent colors and colored rim lighting and push it in that direction that painting over photography does so well. Same idea, different instrument, to keep with the analogy.

Thanks I always appreciate your view on anything that I do, I look on you as the voice of experience.
In this case I was trying to create the effect of the dancer being bathed in a blue soft spotlight coming in from upper right thus eliminating many of the shadows that one would normally experience in a situation like this.
thanks again
Geoff

byroncallas
12-01-2012, 08:05 PM
Wonderful first go with that oil brush. Love the light.

silvy
12-02-2012, 12:04 AM
Lovely contrast and soft light:)
Is it the first attemp with oil? Go, go ahead;)

limey-g
12-02-2012, 01:16 AM
Thanks Byron & Silvy, I have never used oil before, my normal fav tool is chalk on a smooth canvas especially when i want to blend skin with the knife.
I will have to attempt more in the future.
Regards Geoff

Marilyn Anne
12-02-2012, 04:32 AM
I was surprised to find out that you were not doing all those fine things in oil. Now I will have to try the pastels and see what I can do!

limey-g
12-02-2012, 06:15 AM
I was surprised to find out that you were not doing all those fine things in oil. Now I will have to try the pastels and see what I can do!
Thanks Marilyn for your kind words.
Geoff

gxhpainter2
12-02-2012, 06:43 AM
Geoff... I too thought you had been using oils all this time..!.. This still has that polished smoothness look which is a DAkey says the first step... you have done wonderfully and I really like the choice of the blues and blue highlight.. I would suggest at some point you look closely at some portrait oils you admire and feel you would like to emulate.. if you spend time and look close up to see the brush marks and build up.. and see that darks are handled thinly and lights much more thickly painted all those go into making it an oil... vs another media.. AR is pretty good at emulating brush marks in the oil and canvas.. Maybe you should try taking a painting class locally in oils ... could be fun...!..anyway just rambling on this morning... too much coffee already! :rolleyes:

limey-g
12-02-2012, 07:23 AM
Geoff... I too thought you had been using oils all this time..!.. This still has that polished smoothness look which is a DAkey says the first step... you have done wonderfully and I really like the choice of the blues and blue highlight.. I would suggest at some point you look closely at some portrait oils you admire and feel you would like to emulate.. if you spend time and look close up to see the brush marks and build up.. and see that darks are handled thinly and lights much more thickly painted all those go into making it an oil... vs another media.. AR is pretty good at emulating brush marks in the oil and canvas.. Maybe you should try taking a painting class locally in oils ... could be fun...!..anyway just rambling on this morning... too much coffee already! :rolleyes:

Thanks for your comments ,my tool has always been mainly chalk , maybe a little airbrush with pen for the hair, with the knife this gives me the that smooth look I desire.
Because I have always been a photographer and a retoucher my personal choice is to see good detail in the painting and I admire those that can make a painting look like a photograph. I guess we each see things differently in what we look for in a painting.
Geoff

copespeak
12-02-2012, 07:58 AM
Doing Oils well is quite difficult and it's a very good first effort. :0)

limey-g
12-02-2012, 08:25 AM
Doing Oils well is quite difficult and it's a very good first effort. :0)
Thanks, yes it is something I will have to work at when time allows.
Geoff
ps Could you send me some sunshine up to Canada, rather a dreary day here today:)

Caesar
12-03-2012, 10:05 PM
It looks like Your expertise and mastery may lead You confidently in the oil paintings domain. Very good one as a start!

limey-g
12-04-2012, 01:04 AM
It looks like Your expertise and mastery may lead You confidently in the oil paintings domain. Very good one as a start!

Thanks Caesar, I think I will have to work at it as at the moment there are just too many controls and types of brushes for an old guy like me.;)
Geoff