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gigicharm
07-19-2011, 04:15 AM
Ok here is a challenge and a request for help...these little birds are made at a spectacular art gallery hidden deep in the Ozarks of Arkansas. Not far from where I grew up. I visit there with my daughter each time we go and I have one on each window sill of my home. They do make you happy if you look long enough.

So here's the challenge - Can you replicate the shiny blue glass bird so that it shines?

Here's the request? How can I learn to make mine shine...:(

Thanks,
GigiCharm

gigicharm
07-19-2011, 04:16 AM
Here is the reference I hope!:o

MJSparks
07-19-2011, 04:23 AM
With things like glass and metal, you will have to draw what you see reflected in the glass and the distorted view of anything behind the glass. So you'll want to paint reflections, the slight differences in color because of them and the points of light reflected on them.

Glass and Metal it's mainly about the reflections that make up the object more than the object.

jibes
07-19-2011, 06:35 AM
In this case it's easy. Don't think of what's happening with the light through the object, just paint what you see in the photo or from real life. The background can be abstract.
It's as Meg's say's above "Draw what you see, not what you think you should. ~Cindy Hixon"

Alexandra
07-19-2011, 06:40 AM
An interesting challenge. I would love to give it a try too Gigi. If I am successful I will upload the screen. I like the effects Cesare uses on his watercolors, and perhaps a layer of gloss might give you a desired effect.:)

Someonesane
07-19-2011, 11:42 AM
I agree with what MagenSparks and jibes has said. When painting a metallic or translucent object, it's really about drawing and distorting what's around the object (mixing in the color of the object itself). In some cases, such as this, there aren't really any clear reflections in the objects, though. So you could kind of get away with just replicating the abstract shapes of the reflections on the birds. I posted my attempt at it (using the provided reference). It was done in one sitting, using pretty much only the Oil Brush, in various settings. I used the pencil to do a quick rough sketch, and used the Palette Knife once or twice, but it was to do such a little thing, it's almost not worth mentioning. So, Oil Brush for about 98% of it.

I actually tried to record an ArtRage Script while painting it, but (like a numskull) I didn't think to remove the layers I was messing with before I read this thread, and decided to try it out. Deleting the layers I was working, on after I started recording, seems to have messed up the playback. I'm going to try and edit the script later, to see if I can salvage it. So anyone thinking about recording a script, remember to start fresh, lol.

(EDIT) - Okay, so I managed to do a patch job on the script recording. It's still not exactly right, as it still wants to start painting on a sketch layer that I had actually deleted. However, painting over that layer doesn't seem to have had much effect on the finished image, so it's good enough for me. But ... I still need to decide on a place to host the .arscript file. It's 20.2MB, and runs about 7 minutes long if the option to "Accelerate Playback" is checked. I have no idea how long it'll run if that option isn't on, but it'll be real time, so you might want to have a cup of coffee handy, if you run it without accelerating it, lol (EDIT 2 - The playback will be about 1 hour and 10 minutes, at the normal speed, without skipping any pauses. And the link and info on how to watch it, is a couple posts down the thread). But like I said... I still need to figure out where I'm going to host it.

For anyone who doesn't want, or doesn't have access, to use the .arscript to watch the playback, I've also recorded, and posted a video of it. I shortened it bit more for the video, so it's only 2:25 minutes long. You can watch that on my YouTube Channel HERE (http://youtu.be/QeTWbR05YNA).

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gigicharm
07-19-2011, 03:46 PM
OMG Someonesane- Thank you....what a spectacular job! Never thought I would see my desk or my bird on youtube...but it was quite a kick! Your fantastic! Would love to have seen the slower version so that I could learn more about reflections - honestly I need an art class - your production was one more way of showing me I'm completely lost when it comes to creating art. All the blending and when you went into the brown and almost covered up the blue...Amazing! I have no idea how you did it though I have watched it twice now and will watch it more - Thank you so much for rising to the challenge!

Alexandra, Magen, and Jibes....Thank you so much for the information on reflections and glass! I guess I would be one of those that would vote for video conferencing ArtRage Art classes...:o

What fun that was.

Blessings to you all,
GigiCharm

Someonesane
07-19-2011, 04:04 PM
Would love to have seen the slower version so that I could learn more about reflections

Thanks :D

Do you have ArtRage Studio 3.5 (the updated version of studio)? Once I have the .arscript uploaded, you'll be able to download it, and watch how I made the image by playing the script directly in ArtRage. It will give you the choice of watching it sped up, or in realtime. But as I said in my last post, you'll want to have a lot of free time to watch it in realtime.

gigicharm
07-20-2011, 03:02 AM
Soo Excited! All the free time in the world this week and I do have 3.5 Artrage...! Let me know when?

Thank you Thank you....I shared your youtube on my facebook...people loved it....!

Blessings,
GigiCharm:D

Someonesane
07-20-2011, 03:30 AM
Soo Excited! All the free time in the world this week and I do have 3.5 Artrage...! Let me know when?

Thank you Thank you....I shared your youtube on my facebook...people loved it....!

Blessings,
GigiCharm:D

I'm glad they enjoyed it :)

I've decided to try and share the script via DropBox. I've tried sharing a couple of other files through DropBox before, but I haven't had anyone say whether it's worked, or not (and I can't seem to find any information at DropBox about download counts). But it's the easiest way for me to upload it, so I'm going to give it another shot. If it worked, you'll be able to download the .arscript here (http://dl.dropbox.com/u/27387217/Blue%20Bird%20by%20SOS.arscript).

(EDIT) - For those who may not know how yet, here are the steps to play the .arscript (you must have ArtRage Studio 3.5 or AR Studio Pro 3.5 installed to play the script):
1 - Save the .arscript to your computer.
Here's the link (http://dl.dropbox.com/u/27387217/Blue%20Bird%20by%20SOS.arscript) again.
2 - Open ArtRage.
3 - Click on File and select "Play Script..."
4 - Use the browsing window to locate the "Blue Bird_By_Gaeton Laprade.arscript" on your computer, and open it.
5 - You will be prompted by ArtRage, asking two things:
1 - Accelerate Playback:
Check Accelerate Playback, if you'd like to watch the script without pauses.

Leave it unchecked, to watch it draw out in real time.
2 - Play at Original Size:
To see the image at the size I created it, leave this option checked.

To change the size of the image while it's being made, uncheck this option and input the sizes you wish, within the size text fields.
6 - Click Play to set the script in motion.

gigicharm
07-20-2011, 04:03 AM
Perhaps I'm doing something wrong...I downloaded and can find the file on my artrage but it says not in correct format or damaged?? Am I doing something wrong?

Thanks for your help,
GigiCharm:(

Someonesane
07-20-2011, 04:07 AM
Perhaps I'm doing something wrong...I downloaded and can find the file on my artrage but it says not in correct format or damaged?? Am I doing something wrong?

Thanks for your help,
GigiCharm:(


Hmm... Could be something I did. It's still working here, though. Let me see if I saved it in the right format.

Strandy
07-20-2011, 04:14 AM
I downloaded it too. It works flawless. ...So it must be something else.

Edited: Could it be you tried to double click the file? ...This can be the problem. It won't start here either. But if you choose Menu FILE -> Play Script... It should work.

Someonesane
07-20-2011, 04:21 AM
I downloaded it too. It works flawless. ...So it must be something else.

Okay, thanks for that info Strandy.

Hmm... Well if it's working for me and Strandy, then I wonder if this has to do with a difference between Studio and Studio Pro? gigicharm, which version of AR do you use?

(EDIT) - And did you follow my steps to open it, or did you try to open the file by double clicking it?

(EDIT 2) - Looks like Standy and I had the same thought here, lol.

gigicharm
07-20-2011, 02:38 PM
Someonesane, Sorry it took me so long to get back on...my daughter's school orientation took 6 hours today....:(!

I did get in and just let me say...watching the long version was as enjoyable as going to the actually glass shop and watching them fire one of the birds. Thank you so much - I watched in amazement of the colors you used...ones I never would have thought of...I just started with plain old blue - seriously no art knowledge at all:( Thank you so much!!!!!!:):):):):):):):)

And yes I was double clicking! I will watch this many times - especially when I want to relax. BTW, the website for the Blue Bird of Happiness (Just in Case) is www.terrastudios.com - Visit it someday if you can - Seriously creative environment!

Strandy - Thanks to You TOO!
Blessings Always, :)
GigiCharm

Someonesane
07-20-2011, 02:59 PM
Someonesane, Sorry it took me so long to get back on...my daughter's school orientation took 6 hours today....:(!


Nothing to worry about. The cool thing about forums, is they tend to stick around for a while, so there's no rush, lol.



I did get in and just let me say...watching the long version was as enjoyable as going to the actually glass shop and watching them fire one of the birds. Thank you so much - I watched in amazement of the colors you used...ones I never would have thought of...I just started with plain old blue - seriously no art knowledge at all:( Thank you so much!!!!!!


No Problem, it made for some good practice for me, too :). But yes, as you noticed, the colors being used aren't always "blue". This is because the colors we're seeing on the bird, and those being reflected onto it, or showing through it, from the objects surrounding it. The idea can be applied with water. Often people new to art will tend to go straight for the blues, since that color has been ingrained into our memories as the color of water, but most of the time one needs to draw what is reflected off of the water, rather then the water itself (which is often, mostly transparent).



And yes I was double clicking! I will watch this many times - especially when I want to relax. BTW, the website for the Blue Bird of Happiness (Just in Case) is www.terrastudios.com (http://www.terrastudios.com) - Visit it someday if you can - Seriously creative environment!


Ah, yes... Double clicking the file won't open the program, because we are allowed to actually edit those files via a text editor, to program other aspects of the playback (which I had to do to fix my mistake of recording over previous work, as I had mentioned). I took a quick look at your link, and it looks interesting. I'll be sure to take a longer look, when it's not so late.

I'm looking forward to seeing everyone's representations of your glass bird, as well. I hope I didn't derail things with all of my posts :(.

juliediane
07-20-2011, 08:49 PM
This is the first place I have ever seen "our" bluebirds of happiness. We used to purchase them in different sizes and also in red. At St. Johns hospital in Joplin, MO. Wow..... ohhh nice to meet you!

Julie

gigicharm
07-21-2011, 02:11 AM
JulieDiane,

How nice to meet you as well, my daughter was born in your state! And my family is all from Joplin and Carthage.

Thank you again for the use of your Kansas Sunset reference - I love Orange.

Blessings,
GigiCharm

shechat
07-21-2011, 08:23 AM
gigicharm your little bluebird is charming and Someonesane's demo is wonderful. I had to try SOS method.

EB
07-21-2011, 08:43 AM
Someonesane, nice job

shechat, you too

screenpainter
07-21-2011, 02:32 PM
great script SOS. thanks.

Someonesane
07-21-2011, 02:38 PM
Thanks everyone :)

I let the script play through at a normal pace earlier, to find out the actual time it takes. If you don't skip any of the pauses I may have taken (to glace at my TV, or whatnot), it'll run for about 1 hour and 10 minutes.

screenpainter
07-21-2011, 04:37 PM
I swear there is a dog staring at that glass bird. Looks like a black lab or maybe a Weimaraner. Looks like you can see his reflection in there. Is it? so in dropbox you copy the download link?

Someonesane
07-22-2011, 01:53 AM
so in dropbox you copy the download link?


Well, there's a couple ways to get the link for whatever it is you'd like to share. The easiest way (imo), is this:
1 - Open the "Public" DropBox folder on your computer.

2 - Right click on the file you wish to share, and select "DropBox > Copy Public Link".
You could also copy the link from the website as well, by doing the following:
1 - Go to the DropBox website, and log in.

2 - Open your "Public" folder.

3 - Locate the file you wish to share, and click on the small blue triangle on the right of the file information (just beyond the date), to bring up the menu for the file, and select "Copy Public Link".