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06-07-2011, 12:47 AM
This was one of the greatest poets (but also writer, director and prophet) of the XX century, a real genius: Pier Paolo Pasolini. In that century Italy got six nobel prizes for literature and had at least four among the greatest poets (only three nobels winners though): Giovanni Pascoli, Salvatore Quasimodo, Eugenio Montale, Giuseppe Ungaretti.
His life and death was not less exceptional than his art, sensitivity and philosophical foresight.
Here's a preparatory drawing in view of some sort of painting out this idea. I still don't know which style (or styles) to use of the many possible ones, renaissance, manieristic, baroque, macchiaiolo, pop art or like some last century painters we had who I cannot exactly define.

06-07-2011, 01:03 AM
Wonderful, masculine sketch Caesar, thanks for the history ;);):)

06-07-2011, 02:47 AM
What a beautiful man to go with his beautiful mind. Excellent dear Cesare.

06-07-2011, 07:31 AM
Caesar - excellent sketch.... do you always do preparatory sketches prior to a painting?

06-07-2011, 04:16 PM
Excellent sketch Caesar !!!

D Akey
06-07-2011, 05:47 PM
I believe that credit where credit is due, and one's esteem should be going up and going down depending on the quality of work in total, especially when they are dead and one can more or less see the scope of their work. I was not impressed with Passolini. I can only think that those who knew the full range of his life's work could say he was a genius. Also it wouldn't hurt to know Italian so that I might find appreciation for his work. That you speak so highly of him surprises me a little.

Sadly I have only seen three of his movies and read none of his writings and do not rank him very highly at all. Based on The Decameron, Salo, and one other (forgot name) that was a collection of shorts by various directors, I saw a man who must have been extraordinary at wooing financial backers. The mind boggles a little at that.

Nice picture you did though Caesar. Sort of a St. Sebastian kind of martyr concept? Was he ever pictured this way? I know he was in several of his own movies.

Was he murdered? I vaguely recall he was beaten to death or something.

06-07-2011, 08:40 PM
Thank You, dear Pat! He simply was a guy in direct touch with the most genuine and deep perception of life (and people) I'd say, in both its luminous hopes and, more frequently, dark sides too.

Dear Sandra, actually he was not that beatiful, he was vaguely similar to Chet Baker as a face, but interesting for sure. Thank You!

Dear Ghxpainter, usually I don't when it's simpler or just a sketchy work, but here I had to, because I used only a reference pisture of part of his face to make him seem alike, so I had to build a credible enough image for the rest, since the head, hair and body are simply out of my imagination, so the lighting, although mostly based on the that of on face one.

Thank You, dear Semd74! Glad You like this first stage.

Dear Akey, You're right about San Sebastiano, although I didn't add the arrows as yet. In a way it also indicates the violent, bloody type of death he eventually experienced which also connects with his personal passion and relationship with rude guys from the vital and bleak outskirts of Rome in the 60ies and 70ies.
Pasolini was mainly a great poet and, obviously, progressive limitation to English and French, and today English and Spanish, as cultural vehicle for simple consideration of the number of people which may speak and understand them to a more or less wide extent, created a quite partial cultural reserve and no genuine and deep exchange of ideas, knowledge and art, especially considering the influencing power of certain circles or strictly short term business based considerations.
After all the same disease that created finacial bubbles up to the last big crisis we saw. Hemophiliac, self-calling prophecies of few people, leaders, insitutions, "nobles" that work for some time and then cracks under their own limitations.
I think that, as a director, Pasolini was only quite interesting in some of his movies (also short ones), mostly the earlier ones, where he shows a sort of manieristic-realism (that's a possibility for the follow-on painting too therefore). I'm talking of Accattone, Il Vangelo secondo Matteo, Teorema and a more recent and weird one, Uccellacci e Uccellini, rather than historical or literary based ones. Obviously I don't share any socialist view for people redemption (I was never phylosophically convinced at all by Kant followers founding the Idealism, the dialectical logics etc. thus Marx and Engels). I rather share the idea of a strong social solidarity and humanism based of individual and collective mutual support, a sharing of fundamental christian principles and vision on humanity, that, out of any fanatism, would be a universally tolerant, acceptable, fitting and respectful way also for non-christian to address both individual needs and social relationship among anyone and with any culture, by being compassionate, by safeguarding life, freedom and dignity of any and each single human being even against majorities, irrespective of his color, sex, culture, beliefs, culture etc. Pretty similar to the universal declaration of human rights, isn't it, (not really a coincidence, whatever the XVIII centuries Revolutions may have claimed their original product) but also with an additional content ruling attitudes towards each other.
Finally, seeing and understanding the kind of decadence, Pasolini somehow envisaged for our country, looking at growing bad attitudes, behaviours and vices, he was also a sort of prophet. Anyway this decadence is afflicting all the western world in a way. Growing distance between fewer enormously wealthy people, castes and privileged classes against widespread misery, progressive obstacles to any social dynamics (many growing "divides" not even internet could avoid), loss solidarity, of sharing and real opportunities given to anyone, destruction of the middle class and so on ...
Thank You, dear friend, also for this most interesting discussion and exchange.