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fraser_paice
02-10-2010, 08:55 AM
Arrrgghhh!!! My life is gone... The dog is staring at his empty food bowl... The call of nature has become an insistent shout... I have developed a Wacom hunch.... My eyes are like poached eggs....

Why?

Because I can't get my head around the watercolours!!!!!

Well ok the sky isn't too bad..... Sob!

ScottF
02-10-2010, 09:06 AM
Just take a deep breath and hang in there. :D The sky is definitely promising. Remember Miltonīs adage: "All things come to he who waits"--and practices with the paint tools incessantly. :cool:

lolalot
02-10-2010, 09:08 AM
Fraser,

The saying comes to mind, "If at first you don't succeed, try, try, again." The sky is great, and what I can tell from the landscape, it's not bad for a beginner at watercolor, so don't give up and keep practicing! :D;)

D Akey
02-10-2010, 09:34 AM
You're onto something F-P!

Just tell your pooch as he slinks into the whimpering corner of neglect that you are fresh on the scent of a fox. . . Sound the horns, release the hounds and tally ho! RISE UP FAITHFUL HOUND!

And put some kibble in the bowl of your canine companion or he may bury your stylus in the back yard, a bone to gnaw on when things get tight.

He was doubtless happier when you were doing nature walks and photography.

Sketchism71
02-10-2010, 10:07 AM
This looks great to me! Light-years from where I am with it. I am finding out that what needs to be done is;

Step 1. Everything I know about color -- Throw away!
Step 2. Everything I know about value -- Throw away!
Step 3. Everything I know on painting perspective -- Throw away!

I'm on step 4 now and that is where I'm stuck! Urgggh!

Alan
02-10-2010, 10:22 AM
Reminds me of a warm, humid, summer morning with a slight breeze before a afternoon storm. Very nice!! :)

D Akey
02-10-2010, 10:30 AM
This looks great to me! Light-years from where I am with it. I am finding out that what needs to be done is;

Step 1. Everything I know about color -- Throw away!
Step 2. Everything I know about value -- Throw away!
Step 3. Everything I know on painting perspective -- Throw away!

I'm on step 4 now and that is where I'm stuck! Urgggh!

Sketch, I believe step 4 is crying like a baby over spilled bathwater that you threw out. . . [scratching head] or something like that.

Even in the real world, watercolor is an odd duck especially when we're used to painting opaquely.

My sympathies gentlemen. I feel your pain.

As I recall a key is to not work it overmuch. It's not like opaque in that way where you can paint over things and work it up a lot. The good news is we have layers (so you can in a transparent way) and use undo.

Something that defies spontaneity that many of you do already with photographs that you give different colors to is to paint a bunch of watercolor washes (with black ink or watercolor) in the real world and scan them in and import them into ArtRage and use them for their drying patterns and assign them new colors. Seems like a round about way, but I could see that working for some things like skies, so long as it matches the rest of what you're getting in AR.

Caesar
02-10-2010, 10:54 AM
You're not going bad at all, dear F-P!
Anyway I hope I may communicate some useful experience to avoid possible real frustrations.

General hint. It's easy to deal with watercolours if You think to and behave with them as they were a very charming lady. (I guess You're quite good at that).;):)

I mean:
- listen to, understand and follow them with intuition rather than planning
- love them and the fact that You won't really never control them; You can only set them free, spontaneous, joyful and see where they would then like to take You
- drive them with few lovely touches through all the promises and happy accident towards their natural and agreable end
- do not insist to fix parts of the picture, just keep an overall great vision You may share and cooperate on
- give them all Your care to let them express their potentials and talents

More specifically and technically:

draw areas You would then paint wet-on-wet;
use progressively less thinned (and very low thinned) strokes (no dry), testing both wet and dry paper, maybe by selecting/ masking with the wizard wand.
try also wet-on dry thinned as appropriate, on wet paper if You don't like pigment on the boundaries
erase parts where You cannot add effectively new strokes to change colour more evidently or to darken them (if on the same layer)Finally, let me know if any of my suggestion was new and/ or useful ....:D

AT-TA
02-10-2010, 11:10 AM
Wowww..Caesar, so lovingly said, you are an expert i think in both but first in watercolor hehehe... and then the ladies...:).. poor Fraser, i think he will be able to decipher theese myesteries pretty soon... :) i am still giggling...as i am writing...

Fraser, that's not bad at all... but everything wants a patiency... but go for it you will be rewarded at the end as Caesar so expertly explained...:)

fraser_paice
02-10-2010, 11:23 AM
Dearest Caesar.... I will follow you advice to the letter and put away the handcuffs and whip...

I see the sense in what you say and will light the scented candles, play some soft music, open a bottle of wine.... now where did I put that feather?

Dear AT-TA please look the other way for a while but beware of my new found skills should they arise!

AT-TA
02-10-2010, 11:40 AM
Dear Fraser, if you punctually follow Caesars rules... i have nothing to fear....:)

Caesar
02-10-2010, 12:05 PM
Just a couple of good news, dear F-P, about differences between charming ladies and watercolours:

success doesn't decrease with Your age, it increases instead (with watercolours only alas)
You may select watercolours whilst You are selected by ladies (You may just propose Yourself in the best case):D
Let me know, pls, also visually, how Your experiment (and "dating") will develop (with WC :p)

Caesar
02-10-2010, 12:09 PM
Dear AT-TA, thank You for Your warm appreciation and support to my progressively more theoretical learned lessons :D

AT-TA
02-10-2010, 12:31 PM
You are so much welcomed, dear Caesar, i am learnig a lot theese last days....:D

fraser_paice
02-10-2010, 01:23 PM
Ah Caesar I beg to differ on the comparison.

I have found that age has assisted me greatly with the Ladies, the mistakes of my youth are etched deeply enough that I do not often repeat them....

May I remind you that you only have a single summer over me.

That said I do agree that the paint box of life is full of colours that jar and clash and that you should be thoughtful about which one to have on your brush and that sometimes a desired colour eludes you, sometimes the right colour comes along and blends perfectly.

Everyone's palette is a little different.

justjean
02-10-2010, 03:13 PM
It looks good from here .I think my palette is made of mud and your light years ahead of me with wc:D

Jules
02-10-2010, 03:20 PM
Arrrgghhh!!! My life is gone... The dog is staring at his empty food bowl... The call of nature has become an insistent shout... I have developed a Wacom hunch.... My eyes are like poached eggs....

Why?

Because I can't get my head around the watercolours!!!!!

Well ok the sky isn't too bad..... Sob!

LMAO (((((Hugs))))) :D

Jules
02-10-2010, 03:26 PM
Just a couple of good news, dear F-P, about differences between charming ladies and watercolours:
success doesn't decrease with Your age, it increases instead (with watercolours only alas)
You may select watercolours whilst You are selected by ladies (You may just propose Yourself in the best case):D
Let me know, pls, also visually, how Your experiment (and "dating") will develop (with WC :p)

You have a lady obsession Mr Caesar :p:D

Caesar
02-10-2010, 07:20 PM
LOL :p:o Right, dear F-P and Jules!
Maybe I'm still thinking there's some reason if ladies still have one of our ribs, dear Jules.:D
Do You rather prefer other animals than human beings, dear friend? :p I don't think so, You're too young ...;):D
Anyway other passions (food, wine, clothes, science, etc.) may possibly be less widely shared for similitudes ...:)

RobertSWade
02-10-2010, 07:29 PM
Oh. what have I said about the watercolor brush so far? It's a different breed of cat? It's like sorting eels?
Keep at it my friend.

coops
02-10-2010, 10:29 PM
I know just how you feel matey, that darn watercolour!!!!!! but hey thats a great painting.:)