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Trurl
01-11-2010, 06:14 AM
I created several color palettes, based on existing paint brands.

You're welcome to use them.

Where the color can be different depending on the thickness of the layer of paint, I used the average of the color. In case of paint brands which do not name their colors, I numbered them, so they can be sorted in their original order on the color palette (Sort by Name).


How to use:

Copy *.col to the "your user directory"\Ambient Design\ArtRage 3\Resources\Colors folder (on Vista: C:\Users\User\AppData\Roaming\Ambient Design\ArtRage 3\Resources\Colors).
On the Color Sample palette, select "Import New Global Color Sample Set" or "Import New Local Color Sample Set" from the scroll down menu, then select the set you want to use in the window that opens.


The following color sets are ready:

Amsterdam oil colour (http://www.zkorcsok.hu/Private/AR/AmsterdamOilColour.col)
http://www.zkorcsok.hu/Private/AR/AmsterdamOilColour.jpg


Rembandt oil colour (http://www.zkorcsok.hu/Private/AR/RembrandtOilColour.col)
http://www.zkorcsok.hu/Private/AR/RembrandtOilColour.jpg


Rembrandt soft pastel (http://www.zkorcsok.hu/Private/AR/RembrandtSoftPastelsColour.col)
http://www.zkorcsok.hu/Private/AR/RembrandtSoftPastels.jpg


Rembrandt water colour (http://www.zkorcsok.hu/Private/AR/RembrandtWaterColour.col)
http://www.zkorcsok.hu/Private/AR/RembrandtWaterColour.jpg


Talens ecoline colour (http://www.zkorcsok.hu/Private/AR/TalensEcolineColour.col)
http://www.zkorcsok.hu/Private/AR/TalensEcolineColors.jpg


van Gogh oil colour (http://www.zkorcsok.hu/Private/AR/vanGoghOilColour.col)
http://www.zkorcsok.hu/Private/AR/vanGoghOilColour.jpg


Gouache extra fine quality (http://www.zkorcsok.hu/Private/AR/GouacheExtraFineQualityColour.col)
http://www.zkorcsok.hu/Private/AR/GouacheExtraFineQuality.jpg


Two additional color palettes:

van Gogh water colour (http://www.zkorcsok.hu/Private/AR/vanGoghWaterColour.col)
http://www.zkorcsok.hu/Private/AR/vanGoghWaterColour.jpg


St. Petersburg White Night water colour (http://www.zkorcsok.hu/Private/AR/StPetersburgWhiteNightWatercolour.col)
http://www.zkorcsok.hu/Private/AR/WhiteNightWatercolour.jpg

Greeneyes
01-11-2010, 06:47 AM
Wow what a great selection thank you very much.:D

Judith Tramayne
01-11-2010, 06:48 AM
Thank You!!!!

Judith

byroncallas
01-11-2010, 07:55 AM
Wonderful effort and contribution. Thank you.
Just curious, how did you sample these to get them to be "true color" to their sources? How does one go about doing something like that?:)

Valerie
01-11-2010, 09:02 AM
Wow these are great Thank you

Veevs
01-11-2010, 09:44 AM
Wow, thanks!

CataTon
01-11-2010, 09:52 AM
thank you :-)

Eileen724
01-11-2010, 10:17 AM
Thanks! What a delightful array of color palettes to share with us, Trurl! Like Bryon, I, too would be interested in knowing about the source. Making these palettes intrigues me!

Jim Gahl
01-11-2010, 10:45 AM
Hi,

First, thanks for your extensive work!

I was wondering to what end you were going to use them? The reason I asked is that after several phone calls and e-mail exchanges with the Technical Labs at Golden Paints, I became aware of the many variables that all impact on the color samples we see in AR, Painter or PhotoShop and beyond, what actually prints on home printers.

After I finish a painting and print it, I preserve the color and surface with UV protection. I then add real acrylics to the digital painting to create unique expressions of the project or to add depth and texture.

So, of course, if could get accurate digital representations of the actual Golden Paint, I could simply use the same colors in the digital and in the applied acrylic and have a "perfect" match.

Not so.....

Some of the variables at play are:

1) Calibration of the monitor(s) used to create the art. Not every RGB value looks the same on all monitors. Also, as the monitor heats up, colors change as well.
2) Real acrylic paint colors used to paint digitally may not print because of the gamut limitations of the printer used.
3) The color profile for the paper used will also interact with the gamut limitations of the printer as well as how that color appears on the monitor.

Well, I can now pretty much get of out of my Epson 2880 what appears on the monitor most of the time. But adding the Golden counter part in acrylic is, at best, in the neighborhood, but no banana.

My idea was to not have to tone any real acrylics to get a good blend with my printer art. From my experience with Golden products is that many of their acrylics are out of gamut in their pure state when printed digitally.

Unfortunately, AR3 has no color management capability, so, for me, I have to export my work from AR to PhotoShop or Painter and deal with gamut/paper/printer issues there.

Well, thanks for wading through this epistle. I don't want to minimize your efforts in any way. Nor do I want to suggest that I am an expert on color and real acrylics. Take what I have shared in the context of my experience.


Cordially,

Jim Gahl

Jim Gahl
01-11-2010, 04:47 PM
Hi,

First off, I hope that my discourse did not offend anyone! I don't wish to be viewed as an in your face "expert" by anyone here. I do have to say that participating in other forums and making contacts with individuals who are way more knowledgeable than me about color and color printing had helped me get the kind of prints from my art that I want. If what I wrote about encourages anybody to explore the world of color - using it and printing with it.... I feel that I have returned the favors others have given me.

Rose, you raise a good point.... about the Winsor Newton color palette I sent it to Karen Boneker after the John Derry Web broadcast. My experience was that the Winsor Newton color palette, for the most part, was not out of gamut when printed. I got some fabulous prints using the WN color palette with Hanehmule (sp?) fine art paper or Epson Watercolor Paper.

Well, having a digital print with a water color look, I would never try an add more watercolor to it. Well, actually, I never have tried that, but my guess is that the pigments of the ink would not mesh well with real WN pigments. Hmmmmm.... maybe something to try.

Ok, this was shorter this time.... give me a high five for that. LOL

Jim

Fashmir
01-11-2010, 09:09 PM
Ka-Blam!!! Look-a-that fine pallet work. Thanks a ton Trurl. These are beautiful. :D

Jim- Thanks for sharing your insight with us about the print and then paint aspect of working with digital colors. I have been toying with the idea of printing some of my originals on canvas and then painting further on them. This will allow me to use the digital tools I love (ArtRage) and then by painting more on top, I have an 'original' that is unique. I can then run prints in limited editions and it will be based on something that has a singular value as a piece of art.

John Williams
01-11-2010, 10:30 PM
Trurl, thanks from a non-artist who is inspired by Artrage and the examples I've sen in the Forums to give ths digital delight a go.

I'm also impressed with the generosity so many have displayed and the great cooperative spirit displayed by all forum posters.

I've been a Member and a moderator of quite a few and rarely seen one where everyone maintains such a good atmosphere.

John Williams

byroncallas
01-12-2010, 01:33 AM
Jim Gahl, a good review, and I have a question: While it's true the colors won't ever look "dead on" on most monitors calibrated or not, isn't it (or is it not) true that if the colors swatches are input into the computer software and system at the right (true) gamuts and then selected by the artist the "true" color will be in the file used for prepress conversion? In other words, the color on the monitor won't be right, but the information in the file will be "right"?

This is a can of worms, so my question is a technical one about the specific fact and intentionally ignores the difficulties related to managing the technical fact for getting near true color in print reproduction. So, my first question to Trurl was intended to get at how the colors are derived in a way that they are introduced in the system at their true gamut, which is step one necessary for addressing all the can-be-nightmarish steps that follow when dealing with color fidelity for print output.

What's you take on this?:)

Jim Gahl
01-14-2010, 06:47 AM
Hello!

It has been a while since I have checked into the Forum. It is uplifting to read everyone's participation. We are all on the same trek, are we not, in wanting to find that spot where personal creativity becomes a way of thinking, interpreting, and expressing in the form of our created art?

At first, when I started to work digitally, the prints I was getting from my Epson 2880 were disappointing. The colors, which were bright and energized on the screen became dull and somewhat lifeless and the subtle tones from the original art were change or simply gone. It was at that point that I knew there was some basic fundamentals about digital color and printing I did not get.

And after a lot of wasted paper and expensive ink, I finally got an understanding that allows me to get in print what I see on the screen most of the time.

Working with a color space on the screen is only part of the formula. Every printer has its own printable color profile which is unique to it besides the color space on the screen. Add to that is the fact that different papers also have their color profiles which are unique to them. I would say that the weakest link in this lineup is the color space of the paper. Paper canvas, for example, has a limited color rendering. And at $4.00 a pop for this paper, I want to be sure of what I will get.

Unfortunately, the paper is from my experience is the weakest link of the three. Some papers simply will not print some colors accurately. The colors sent to the paper are often out of gamut for the paper and the printer will substitute different colors that will print. (Rendering intent: Color metric, perpetual, absolute, etc.)

This is why I use PhotoShop to work with my ArtRage renderings after the art is done. PS will allow me to examine the color space of the art and match it with the color spaces available for my printer and matched to the paper of choice. I can see which colors in my art will not print on the paper I want to use accurately. In PS I can also change how the printer will handle the colors that won't print accurately (out of gamut for the paper and printer) by modifiying the rendering intent. (Also, byusing PS's Curves, Levels, Hue Saturation Settings, ect., I can correct the out of gamut colors of the art - or at least minimize them.)

If one prints to a household ink jet printer on regular Office Depot paper then the palette used to create the art probably doesn't matter. That kind of printing will likely convert our original RGB color space to the sRGB color space which the printer and paper like a lot and will gladly print. The results are pleasing to look at, but will not necessarily accurately reflect what we originally mixed on the AR canvas.

OMG- last thing. In talking with a specialist from the Golden Paints color lab, she talked about their efforts to get some kind of RGB numbers for their Full Body and Open Acrylics lines. She talked about spectrograph samplings of actual paint and how even at that level of specificity, there are variations present. So any RGB numbers are at best only an approximation. But if they won't print on Ink Press matte canvas anyway, what's the point?

Phew! You will be happy to know that this is my last post on this whole thing. I just want to paint.... and I am sure, so do you. If this was helpful to you, cool, otherwise write me off as a guy with a big ego. ;-) LOL

Jim

PS - Oh, yes, there is also a Windows program that lets one see and compare the color profiles installed on one's machine. It is useful because before I buy a piece of fine art paper, I down load the paper's color profile and examine it just to see where it falls off and which colors of the regular RGB color space will not print accurately. Um, I'll have to dig around for the web addy if anyone is interested. It is useful also for photographic papers as they also have profiles..... and on and on.

pai
01-14-2010, 05:38 PM
This thread is very informative. Thanks Jim for the explanations of the true color printing and so as the sample color sets from Trurl. So I guess we can see your paintings soon, Jim. ;):)

Rowena
01-16-2010, 12:35 AM
What delicious color charts, I cant wait to try them - thanks:D:D

byroncallas
01-16-2010, 06:30 AM
Just following up: the charts are excellent. Thanks again. :D

screenpainter
03-05-2010, 11:59 AM
Thanks Trurl. I had missed these. Thanks to the Sketchism thread I found them. Thanks again for these.

Sketchism71
03-06-2010, 05:36 PM
I thought I commented here but I guess not... Thank you Trurl for an excellent thread and colors!!!:):)

jlpdelpal
05-14-2011, 08:54 AM
I think there is something wrong with my instalation, I can't find that directory and the people of ArtRage does not reply to my question?
Can you help me,
Thank you

byroncallas
05-14-2011, 05:00 PM
I think there is something wrong with my instalation, I can't find that directory and the people of ArtRage does not reply to my question?
Can you help me,
Thank you

Jlpdelpal, your question here isn't clear and few people are now visiting this thread regularly, so few people are likely to see it. I suggest you state your problem clearly and post it in the technical support section of the forums - you will get quicker feedback from everyone there.

Good luck.
Byron

justjean
05-14-2011, 07:14 PM
Thank you for your great pallets , much appreciated :)

LeeStites
06-19-2011, 08:09 AM
I created several color palettes, based on existing paint brands.

You're welcome to use them.

Where the color can be different depending on the thickness of the layer of paint, I used the average of the color. In case of paint brands which do not name their colors, I numbered them, so they can be sorted in their original order on the color palette (Sort by Name).]

Any chance of reposting/re-hosting these…the links appear to be dead.

Thanks.

Trurl
09-12-2011, 10:45 AM
Thank you for your replies.

LeeStites: The links work.



Wonderful effort and contribution. Thank you.
Just curious, how did you sample these to get them to be "true color" to their sources? How does one go about doing something like that?:)

I used scanned paint tests and catalogues for color samples. Because of the scanning the colors are converted to RGB and they are also usable in RGB color space in Artrage. The colors get somewhat distorted during virtual painting, because of the limited color range of the RGB color space and because the virtual paint doesn't have the chemical and physical properties of real pigments.

Two additional color palettes:

van Gogh water colour (http://www.zkorcsok.hu/Private/AR/vanGoghWaterColour.col)
http://www.zkorcsok.hu/Private/AR/vanGoghWaterColour.jpg


St. Petersburg White Night water colour (http://www.zkorcsok.hu/Private/AR/StPetersburgWhiteNightWatercolour.col)
http://www.zkorcsok.hu/Private/AR/WhiteNightWatercolour.jpg

MSIE
09-12-2011, 11:24 AM
thanks a lot for the additional palettes, Trurl :)
great stuff!!

ulbart
11-18-2011, 01:45 AM
les sets de couleurs sont très bien, les gammes "Rembrandt" sont superbes!
comment les installer sur un Mac ?

laginou
11-25-2011, 09:28 AM
Wow! Thank you so much. It is beautiful. I am using your Rembrandt oil color palette right now and it is magic. Thank you again.

Evil Robot
12-30-2011, 07:15 AM
Thanks so much I use Van Gogh water colors for my traditional paintings so it will be interesting to see how they compare.

Evil Robot
01-04-2012, 07:50 AM
For the most part these are great the umber and sienna are off a bit but nothing a little adjustment couldn't fix. Great set. I'm actually using them for my children's book project. Thanks again.

jlpdelpal
05-02-2012, 05:40 AM
I´m using ArtRage Studio Pro 3.5.4 Windows 7, I cant add any new color palet

Suni Roveto
07-28-2012, 10:20 AM
Is the link to these (wonderful) color sets still active?

Speedy
07-23-2013, 08:37 AM
I downloaded these sets a couple years ago and I never said thank you. So, thank you!

muhmantha
08-02-2013, 04:15 PM
thanks for posting I now use those color sets a lot!

GwenGlow
09-30-2013, 03:11 PM
Thank you for sharing your lovely paint pallets.
:o
Gwen

philippecmartin
07-27-2014, 07:19 AM
Regards,

Philippe

samiro
09-15-2014, 11:23 AM
thanks alot for all these color..i am here from long time and i didnt explore good the forum.:(
just from gallery i didnt go out and see other part of the forum..thank you :)

Speedy
09-15-2014, 07:22 PM
I'm sorry to be a bother here but when I tried to download these sets, the link gave me a page with a string of words and symbols. I managed to get the Amsterdam Set and the Talen set but nothing else.

Does anyone know how to fix my issue here?

chicaontherock
10-15-2015, 03:30 PM
Thank you!

philippecmartin
08-11-2021, 01:09 PM
Thank you very much