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wsam7
12-12-2008, 10:29 PM
Hi everyone

I am very new in ArtRage. In fact I only know this software when I bought my bamboo fun. I install it and start playing with it. After 2 day, I am addicted. Even I only have 3 mins, I still draw some strokes, and play with it. I love it so much. But more I play, more I want to get out of it. Now I set up my very first project and got stuck already hahah.

All I want to try is draw a pic like this. (sorry i cant post link...)
if you search google and the word "chinese painting", u will see alot of paint, and i only want to leanr black and white at the moment

A Chinese drawing, mainly black and grey and white.

the stroke is very beautiful and i want to learn it.

Can someone tell me what and how I can achieve this in ArtRage? Like what pen I need, and what paper?

I saw a lot of people draw fantastic pic in here. I really hope I can be like one of you guys.

Have a nice day.

Sam

wsam7
12-12-2008, 10:49 PM
oh by the way, do you guys always draw on pencil first before colouring it?

Phoenix
12-13-2008, 04:42 AM
Do have a list cheap Web developing Software, I'm alwasy looking out for more programs

Phoenix
12-13-2008, 04:46 AM
Are you asking about the Materials used for Chinese Painting? hmm
Interesting I'd think a watercolor- with a caligraphy type brush
I'm not too sure - I don't think it'd be too hard to research , I'd like to know myself, I never really thought of doing that-
I'm not much of a painter

Phoenix
12-13-2008, 04:55 AM
Not much of a Painter - YET - that is lol I just haven't had time in that area just yet. Are you sure thats the art form you want to practice at?
There guilds in Asia devoted to such things, places that pay the Artists, and the Artists LIVE ON THE PROPERTY- it's more a Village/Art Collective
In parts of Asia , whole lil hidden villages make very expensive pottery and have been doing such a thing for thousands of years, it makes western culture look unorganized really.
You should check out some of the Thailand wood carvers, they'll work on one very expensive wood for 4 years in the same spot with another Master Craftsman by his side- the talent amazing - this is why you don't see the west doing eastern art- lets just say it would be a large waste of time- look for Chinese Bone Crafting online
you'll also see what I'm talking about.

wsam7
12-13-2008, 06:31 AM
sorry man i was thinking abt how to do this paint in ArtRage

ArtNuovo
12-13-2008, 06:56 AM
From what I saw of the chinese b&w paintings online, it looks like you would have the most success using the brush tool. You can adjust the size, pressure and thinners to achieve the look of water color. Experiment! And have fun!:)

wsam7
12-13-2008, 08:26 AM
yea, the the size of stroke and colour makes me think brush too
but i never see anyone draw anything like them before
so i am not sure
or is it a style no one actually try drawing before?
i will try it later and see can i come up with anything and let u guys have a look

good luck to myself
^_^

caver
12-15-2008, 03:52 AM
Hi everyone

I am very new in ArtRage. In fact I only know this software when I bought my bamboo fun. I install it and start playing with it. After 2 day, I am addicted. Even I only have 3 mins, I still draw some strokes, and play with it. I love it so much. But more I play, more I want to get out of it. Now I set up my very first project and got stuck already hahah.

All I want to try is draw a pic like this. (sorry i cant post link...)
if you search google and the word "chinese painting", u will see alot of paint, and i only want to leanr black and white at the moment

A Chinese drawing, mainly black and grey and white.

the stroke is very beautiful and i want to learn it.

Can someone tell me what and how I can achieve this in ArtRage? Like what pen I need, and what paper?

I saw a lot of people draw fantastic pic in here. I really hope I can be like one of you guys.

Have a nice day.

Sam
hi~~man.i'm an Paintting guy from Chinese.if u wanna any help,u can mail me to ([email protected])or MSN ([email protected]). Very nice meet u at here !!

narf
12-15-2008, 05:44 AM
Normal Chinese Painting is completly done with a brush and ink.
The funny thing is the construction of the brush. European watercolor
brushes have the long hair in the middle and the short hair on the
outside. Brushes for Chinese painting have the short hair in the middle
and long soft at the outside. With this construction the brush can hold
extremly much ink and it makes it possible to draw wide and small lines,
even in one brush stroke.

It is not used as European brushes eighter.
The artist holds the brush vertically to the paper and hand and arm does
not touch the ground. The brush is only used in a diagonal angle for
drawing the transparent ink parts. But the brush is held nearly
in the same way like when holding it vertically.

The most tricky part is the construction of the image itself. It consists
of 3 motif layers. These are arranged on the imagef ollowing the principles
of Tai Chi and Yin and Yang. (http://z.about.com/d/diyfashion/1/0/U/5/-/-/YinYang.jpg)

This means the picture is divided somehow into 2 parts with 2 little subparts.
But earlier I wrote something about 3 motifs. If the image contains humans or
bulidings the 3 motif part is added in a motif layer between heaven and earth.
The position of this layer shall respect the importans of nature.
Humans and their buildings shall not dominate the image motif and so shall not
dominate nature.

The textures on the image are done after the principles of Yin and Yang too.
You can see the wavy structures everywhere.

Rocks, mountains, trees, houses and everything else show the 3 faces of the
stone. This means they are all threedimensional. Imagine a box or a cube.
You look at them so you can see 3 sides of them.

So what do we finnally have?

We have a painting which is constructed of a bunch of modified boxes which
are arranged on the painting after the principles of Yin and Yang, sky (heaven)
and earth, with textures on them which are following the principles of Yin
and Yang too. And sometimes you have a sort of submotif layer between sky and
earth containing the human factor.



:D

Lee
12-15-2008, 06:23 AM
wonderful reading and very interesting! love to learn, thank you!:)

Dear Narf, wonderful explanation,! could you please post a painting with the yin and yang principles or a link, saw the black and white one many times but would like to see an actual composition, thank you!:)

narf
12-16-2008, 09:52 AM
Oki,

But do not consider it too good.
I tried to draw some quick examples from my book about Chinese painting.

Unfortunatly I do have difficulties with the 3 dimension of stones.

I tried to learn Chinese painting decades ago, it was not even possible to
get a proper brush here. Those were the times without internet. :D

Lee
12-16-2008, 11:18 AM
Dear Narf, thank you so much! the sketch is beatuiful, a good beginning, and good examples,:)

Dany51
12-16-2008, 08:55 PM
Sam, I don't know if you still follow this idea and this thread but I will give to you my unswer anyway:
first, on my experience, to imitate the Chinise painting in a digital painting you need a sensitive to pressure tablet, the best is Wacom3 actualy,
the Bamboo wouldn't give you the effects that you need.
second , for the paper, if you would like to have a rice paper or similar you can find that on the textures bring in Art Rage by Mistercanvas, you have to look at them closely in a brooser as Irfan View for example and make your choice for the moment you paint, for example n 19 is a rice paper, I hope that you will find that easily, on the Mistercanvas contributions.
third, the brush, for me the best is the felt pen set on dry settings, have to make experiments with it but I am not sure that it will work with the Bamboo tablet.
look at this to have an idea of how it works the different flow on the different pressure, I speak on here about Chinese painting in what I was also interested (in the traditional media : ink, paper, brushes) :
http://www2.ambientdesign.com/forums/showthread.php?t=15522

wsam7
12-16-2008, 11:30 PM
Hi everyone, its very nice to meet u all and i am very happy to see many replies.

i stopped looking into drawing chinese paint in ArtRage now because i think i am still too noob to do that.

I am back to basic, just like back in the school, drawing square and circle and gives it some shadow. Now i am following all the tutorial i can find in this forum and play around until i get full confident to try chinese paint again.

I working on cloud and tree at the moment. will move onto water and mountain later on.

all i am doing now is get my hand used to the bamboo pen and know how to use different kind of brushes in ArtRage. Its a very good program and both me and my wife loved it.

anyway thx for everyones reply on this post. i will still come back and check on it. i think its good to try new technics and share experience, thats why i like this forum alot.

have a nice day everyone

Sam

Kayla
01-03-2009, 10:26 AM
I tried doing a picture of orchids in a sort of chinese style, though I didn't keep it, so I can't recall how well it turned out.

But I wanted an old look to it, so used a textured paper/parchment look, slightly yellowed for the background. Thinned down the paints, using dark browns as pure black inks would have been hard to obtain, and slightly browny pinks for the flowers.

I might play around see if I can reproduce something...

Vasilenko
01-03-2009, 05:07 PM
Are you talking about Sumi-e technique? I'm not into it, I tried to do something similar. I loaded grey colors, painted with airbrush, also used palette knife and pencil. It's painted completely by hand with mouse.